Husband and wife prohibited to share cockpit
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Couple pilots lost action against the company SATA: judges understood that passenger safety can be compromised if family ties overlap the hierarchical relationship. Expert in labor issues speaks in violation of constitutional provisions.
A banned pilots couple to share the plane's cockpit saw the Court of Appeal of Lisbon recently validated the airline's decision SATA Internacional to prevent husband and wife flying together. The litigation lasted since 2013 and has led to delays of several hours in air links with the couple trying to embark together without success.
Both the judges of the Labour Court as those reapreciaram the question after the couple have appealed the initial ruling, they were sensitive to the arguments of SATA in a case that the Civil Aviation Pilots' Union refuses to comment. "The type of relationship between members of the same household, including spouses, can more easily open gaps in vertical hierarchical relationship" between pilot and co-pilot, says the judgment of the Lisbon. What increases the risk for safety of flights, alert.
Called to rule on the issue as early as 2013 the then vice-president of the National Civil Aviation Authority (ANAC, which at the time was the appointment of INAC), Paulo Soares, expressed similar position, although less assertively. At a meeting of aerotracompany board, that intended solely to discuss this matter, and which was present as a guest, this commander wondered whether "vertical hierarchical relationship is or is not affected by the inseparable horizontal or relational parity relationship between spouses" They are working under the direction of one another, as was the case. "Family relationships can cause hierarchy failures," he said. Now questioned on the subject by PUBLIC, ANAC admits does not exist, nor in the national legislation or in international, no prohibition of close piloting the same flight. What is a general principle of rotation of crews "is the most warned on flight safety." The same entity is not aware of similar cases. At TAP, for example, there are no restrictions at this level.
Couple starred accident in 2013
Married for several years, the captain and his wife staged an accident when a plane piloted in early March 2013 had trouble landing in Ponta Delgada. There were no casualties, but repair costs - which were covered by insurance - budgeted 618,000 euros. It was after the accident that the company realized that the previous year the couple would have 85% of the flights together. The commander claims that, if they did, it was often for the benefit of SATA: "We were very called on off dutty days, when there was no one to fly."
The couple complains is being discriminated against in relation to other colleagues and undermined their right to family life, as with staggered schedules have less time to spend together. They sued the company, which asked for compensation of 20 thousand euros, and can return to man the cockpit simultaneously. "Much worse is people who do not speak are climbing to fly together - and this continues to happen," contends teh captain.
However, the judges concluded that, although they should be provided to workers conditions for reconciling work and family life, "it does not follow that this interest must prevail over the interest of flight safety of the community."
"Does not meet the court ascertain the goodness of this measure, given that the same is shown justified and seems proportionate to the objective intended: compliance with safety rules," can be read in the Labour Court's judgment, with which the prosecutor of the Court of Appeal which examined the case agreed .. "it is natural to be excused," among close relatives, "small flaws that can be fatal for those who have the fate of so many lives in your hands," wrote the latter.
Expert in labor law, the lawyer Garcia Pereira is shown shocked: "Both may be a breach in the hierarchical relationships between husband and wife and between boyfriends. And if glasses of companions? ? The company makes them a test of friendship "asks, adding that this type of decision paves the way for discretion - in addition to violating, in his opinion, several constitutional provisions and the European Convention of human rights, from unwarranted intrusion in life people to the principle of equality between citizens, through the reconciliation of work and family life
A banned pilots couple to share the plane's cockpit saw the Court of Appeal of Lisbon recently validated the airline's decision SATA Internacional to prevent husband and wife flying together. The litigation lasted since 2013 and has led to delays of several hours in air links with the couple trying to embark together without success.
Both the judges of the Labour Court as those reapreciaram the question after the couple have appealed the initial ruling, they were sensitive to the arguments of SATA in a case that the Civil Aviation Pilots' Union refuses to comment. "The type of relationship between members of the same household, including spouses, can more easily open gaps in vertical hierarchical relationship" between pilot and co-pilot, says the judgment of the Lisbon. What increases the risk for safety of flights, alert.
Called to rule on the issue as early as 2013 the then vice-president of the National Civil Aviation Authority (ANAC, which at the time was the appointment of INAC), Paulo Soares, expressed similar position, although less assertively. At a meeting of aerotracompany board, that intended solely to discuss this matter, and which was present as a guest, this commander wondered whether "vertical hierarchical relationship is or is not affected by the inseparable horizontal or relational parity relationship between spouses" They are working under the direction of one another, as was the case. "Family relationships can cause hierarchy failures," he said. Now questioned on the subject by PUBLIC, ANAC admits does not exist, nor in the national legislation or in international, no prohibition of close piloting the same flight. What is a general principle of rotation of crews "is the most warned on flight safety." The same entity is not aware of similar cases. At TAP, for example, there are no restrictions at this level.
Couple starred accident in 2013
Married for several years, the captain and his wife staged an accident when a plane piloted in early March 2013 had trouble landing in Ponta Delgada. There were no casualties, but repair costs - which were covered by insurance - budgeted 618,000 euros. It was after the accident that the company realized that the previous year the couple would have 85% of the flights together. The commander claims that, if they did, it was often for the benefit of SATA: "We were very called on off dutty days, when there was no one to fly."
The couple complains is being discriminated against in relation to other colleagues and undermined their right to family life, as with staggered schedules have less time to spend together. They sued the company, which asked for compensation of 20 thousand euros, and can return to man the cockpit simultaneously. "Much worse is people who do not speak are climbing to fly together - and this continues to happen," contends teh captain.
However, the judges concluded that, although they should be provided to workers conditions for reconciling work and family life, "it does not follow that this interest must prevail over the interest of flight safety of the community."
"Does not meet the court ascertain the goodness of this measure, given that the same is shown justified and seems proportionate to the objective intended: compliance with safety rules," can be read in the Labour Court's judgment, with which the prosecutor of the Court of Appeal which examined the case agreed .. "it is natural to be excused," among close relatives, "small flaws that can be fatal for those who have the fate of so many lives in your hands," wrote the latter.
Expert in labor law, the lawyer Garcia Pereira is shown shocked: "Both may be a breach in the hierarchical relationships between husband and wife and between boyfriends. And if glasses of companions? ? The company makes them a test of friendship "asks, adding that this type of decision paves the way for discretion - in addition to violating, in his opinion, several constitutional provisions and the European Convention of human rights, from unwarranted intrusion in life people to the principle of equality between citizens, through the reconciliation of work and family life
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Is the issue not more to do with the fact that they flew together well above the average norm? With larger airlines the likelihood that pilots who are related fly together is generally quite limited.
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If they "staged an accident" I can't understand why they should be allowed to fly at all. Whether it resulted in aircraft damage is not relevant given it was an apparently intentional act. If there had been casualties, then what would have happened?
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My wife and I had a couple of expensive accidents in the past. But they've both left home now.
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It would seem that couples (happy ones) without children living at home would probably prefer to fly together as much as possible, because then their days off would be more likely to coincide.
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This is a nice one:
Let's make a list of "risky" combos in the cockpit!
Lemme start:
A divorced couple
two captains
Flying with Yr chief pilot
Flying with Yr chief instructor
Flying with the airline's owner
Flying with a chap who ran off with Yr wife (although for some that would be reason for good friendship)
Flying with an FAA (or likewise authority) pilot
Two pilots sharing the same hobby
Two pilots without any hobbies
Two pilots who are interested in the same C/A
The list must be endless....
Let's make a list of "risky" combos in the cockpit!
Lemme start:
A divorced couple
two captains
Flying with Yr chief pilot
Flying with Yr chief instructor
Flying with the airline's owner
Flying with a chap who ran off with Yr wife (although for some that would be reason for good friendship)
Flying with an FAA (or likewise authority) pilot
Two pilots sharing the same hobby
Two pilots without any hobbies
Two pilots who are interested in the same C/A
The list must be endless....
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It's not just about family ties.
How about pilots that are unrelated but hate each other? There are endless scenarios, that might turn out the be tricky. Faith, mentality, sex, former military, expats, you name it. Part of a pro mindset to still act responsible.
How about pilots that are unrelated but hate each other? There are endless scenarios, that might turn out the be tricky. Faith, mentality, sex, former military, expats, you name it. Part of a pro mindset to still act responsible.
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I don't enjoy flying with pilots of pure civilian extraction.
I also don't like native English speakers - because our operation being in the English language, they al ways think they are right because of that fake superiority.
I also prefer the F/O to be of the same faith than me - because it's the true one.
Therefore the three previous combinations are a safety risk.
I also don't like native English speakers - because our operation being in the English language, they al ways think they are right because of that fake superiority.
I also prefer the F/O to be of the same faith than me - because it's the true one.
Therefore the three previous combinations are a safety risk.
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I spent 3 years flying with my wife as my F/O and she was the most professional F/O I've ever flown with. If anything, we overcompensated on discipline and SOP adherence because we knew that there'd be plenty of "I-told-you-so" if we screwed anything up. We had a simple rule, what happens at work stays at work and what happens at home stays at home.
It's absolutely a non issue
It's absolutely a non issue
