Emirates B777 gear collapse @ DXB?

[misd-agin]

G/a steps on any a/c -

Power and pitch change.
Flaps to initial g/a position
Positive rate - gear up.

If using automation, and it doesn't perform as desired, manual intervention is required.

[Wirbelsturm]

Unless it's windshear.

In which case its call the windshear go around, hit the TOGA switches and wait/follow the FD!

Once it has been confirmed the event is over (both entry and exit!) then call go-around 'flaps' etc.

[White None]

G/a steps on any a/c -

NOT for a WS G/A

[Gamik]

Is this first ever hull loss for EK?

[Sir Niall Dementia]

With regard to the pax with their carry on baggage, I was at an operator's meeting a few months ago and the subject was brought up, one solution was that all rescued carry-ons should be removed from the owners and destroyed, my favourite was placing a sniper on the fire truck next to the guy with the foam gun, as the foam is flowing the sniper picks off anyone carrying their baggage.

Personally I was wear a security pouch under my shirt with my cell phone, some cash and a credit card (or two)and my passport, having had to evacuate an aeroplane in a hurry as a passenger, I found afterwards that those four items would have made life an awful lot simpler.

The same pouch sits next to my seat during every take-off and landing at work.

[Airbubba]

Originally Posted by Sailvi767

I am curious, everyone seems to hint that Emirites management rules the airport and airline with a iron fist. The airport consistently reported a tailwind in excess of the normal 10 knot limit both before and after the landing. If a pilot refused to land with that wind report and demanded a landing into the traffic flow would that request be honored and would he face any action from management for the delays that might cause at the airport?

Not rightly sure I see that in excess of 10 knot tailwind.

The mishap occurred at about 0845Z and they 'landed' on runway 12L.

Here's the reported hourly weather observations from an earlier post on this thread:

SA 03/08/2016 09:00->
METAR OMDB 030900Z 11021KT 3000 BLDU NSC 49/07 Q0993 WS ALL
RWY TEMPO 35015KT 1500=

SA 03/08/2016 08:00->
METAR OMDB 030800Z 14012KT 100V180 6000 NSC 48/09 Q0994 WS
ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 4000 DU=

Are you looking at the TEMPO perhaps?

Some airlines buy data from the manufacturer for 15 knot tailwinds and also higher OAT's, not sure if it is available for the Triple.

If you demanded a landing into the traffic flow at ATL or JFK you'd probably hear from the chief pilot's office, right?

[Julio747]

Not so simples...

Originally Posted by asdf1234

Any pax between me and the exit seen reaching for their luggage in the bins, putting my life at risk, gets punched by me, repeatedly if needs be.

All pax photographed with their hand luggage need to be arrested for disobeying the lawful instruction of the flight crew.

I'm only glad that there were no pax or crew fatalities but one day people will die because ignorant pax deem their hand luggage more important than a human life.

Time to introduce locking overhead bins. Only accessible when the the seatbelt sign has been turned off. Simples!

It's good in theory. But in some parts of the world, 80% of the pax will burn trying to open the bins....

[g109]

777

To me it looks like the landing gear was for whatever reason retracted prematurely so when the aircraft settled back on the runway, which can sometimes happen during a go around it crashed on its belly fuselage.
These kind of accidents have happened before.
If it turn out to be that scenario then the flight crew would be to blame.
Nevertheless the cabin crew did an outstanding job getting out everyone alive and should be commended.
And yes, this is the first hull loss in EK history and the worst accident to date.
Also, I can confirm it was an emirati Capt. and expat FO.

soon we will know exactly what happened.

[Sailvi767]

Originally Posted by MLHeliwrench

Would it have overrun the runway and had a more deadly outcome with the gear down? Or is it just sand off the end?

Airline class Aircraft stop quicker with brakes and rubber then sliding on their bellies. Most passengers have no idea how quickly and how effective tires and wheel brakes really are since they never see anything even approaching a max application. If you need to stop quick your better off with the tires as long as you are on the pavement.

[FullWings]

Those surface winds - easterly TEMPO northerly?
Never seen such weirdness the nine years I worked at airfields.
Must be very tricky to handle.

Looking at the METARs for the time of the accident:

OMDB 031000Z 11018KT 5000 BLDU NSC 49/05 Q0993 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 1500
OMDB 031048Z VRB06KT 6000 NSC 41/24 Q0992 WS ALL RWY TEMPO 35015KT 3000 DU

It is reminiscent of a sea breeze or sea air incursion, with the lowering of temperature and increase in dew point. Happens quite a bit at airfields that get coastal influences.

If it was a different airmass moving inland, you can get odd effects during the transition, like tailwinds on both ends of the runway. I guess it would pick up a fair bit of dust as well as the TEMPO 1500 alludes.

[GlueBall]

ACMS . . .

"The EVAC command doesn't come straight away, it takes time to run the appropriate EICAS then the EVAC checklist etc. .."

This reminds me of a chap who had busted his sim check because of entering a hold to run the checklist with an engine fire that wouldn't extinguish.

[Methersgate]

Originally Posted by asdf1234

So the laptop battery goes awol in an unlocked bin at 38000ft. You still have an overhead bin fire to contend with. Who says the unlocked bin fire will be noticed and acted upon in time?

Locking the bins when the seatbelt sign is on will prevent injuries and potentially save lives throughout periods or turbulence, post landing taxy and emergency evacuations.

Go bang your head a bit more, you seem to enjoy it.

I hesitate to chip in to this thread, as a shipping man not an airline man, but we have similar situations (getting four thousand passengers off a ship...) and we would not ever lock the bins; a passenger may "freeze" and continue trying to open a locked bin, which would cause more of an obstruction than is caused by the passenger trying to get their carry on baggage.

[Icare320]

I'm wondering about the ARFF response time and the fire fighting action. If any ppl can give me some information about those issues I would be very very interested!

[bakerpictures]

From the Dubai Media Twitter feed:
"Ahmed bin Saeed: We pay tribute to the firefighter who lost his life fighting the blaze. We thank all teams that dealt with the incident."

[kipper the dog]

Airbubba, all EK Triples are certified for 15kts tailwind limitation. And yes, this is the first hull loss although there is some debate over wether the A340-500 "incident" in Melbourne a few years back should have been a hull loss or not.

[cwatters]

Report here mentions pilot announced it would be emergency landing. Accuracy unknown..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/03/passengers-evacuated-after-plane-crash-lands-at-dubai-airport

[langleybaston]

QUOTE:

It is reminiscent of a sea breeze or sea air incursion, with the lowering of temperature and increase in dew point. Happens quite a bit at airfields that get coastal influences.

Absolutely correct. I was a forecaster at RAF Nicosia 1961-64. The sea breeze always arrived with a wallop, and met the [from memory] light NW'ly so that we had opposing wind directions from each end of the runway. Sometimes we had massive gusts and dust-devils. Open doors would slam, and the temperature change suddenly.

Very difficult to predict with the state of the art then, even though I did a lot of research including blagging time as observer in Army AC choppers [Scout?].

As for predicting the timing, no day was the same as another. Wind-shear? hardly taught or understood.

If, as I believe, the local Met staff are taught by UK Met Office, they will be in a much better case than in my day.

Congrats to all involved on the ground, and the cabin crew. Jury out on the pilots, but I am glad all worked out.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by kipper the dog

And yes, this is the first hull loss although there is some debate over whether the A340-500 "incident" in Melbourne a few years back should have been a hull loss or not.

I'd guess from the fact that EK flew that A340 for a further five years, the debate wasn't very prolonged.

[flyallnite]

If this turns out to be pilot error, can we expect to see the flight crew jailed, or worse? What is the protocol in this part of the world? I'm sure their passports will be retained for starters. If they are expats, I hope their nations are able to offer them legal assistance. Could be a nightmare for these guys and their families. I wish them luck.

[GHEVY]

What irks me is how airlinea are now downplaying accidents in the media.


This burned out Emirates hulk is according to the Emirates website the result of an "Operational Incident". Air Canada landing short of the runway at Halifax was a "hard landing". I guess my frontwheel tire blowing and car crashing into a tree would be an operational incident.


Anything to avoid words like crash or crashlanding or even simply accident.