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Emirates B777 gear collapse @ DXB?

Old 3rd Aug 2016, 22:47
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EEngr: The evac. video is over 180 sec. long, thus the 45 sec. media report is in error. During normal disembark, at most half the doors are in use, often fewer, and people aren't in much of a hurry - they know they'll just have to to queue at immigration.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 22:52
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Kudos to the team on board for saving lives. EK is very lucky that they walk away with just written off AC. God bless the soul of the fire fighter.
I some where blame the work culture in EK which instils fear among pilots of getting warning letter for any thing and every thing.
The management should wake up.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 22:54
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I wonder how many people on this plane even understood English?
Yes, it's the international language of aviation, and a widely taught second language in India and UAE, but I didn't hear any of the passengers using the English language. Clearly, NOBODY understood the (English only) commands to leave everything.

I'd say we have a 'teaching moment' here for the aviation industry.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 22:59
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EQL, fullwings,

There is no system to measure windshear, it is all from pilot interaction with ATC, so when it is reported, the WS tag goes on until a pilot tells ATC there wasnt any.

With DXB, it has been shown to have headwinds at both ends. There are turns of 180 degrees of winds at altitude.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:01
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Surprised at people defending those who grabbed their bags.
Is it really "instinct?"
The crew get off last. Any delay you cause is reducing the chance of them getting out safely. The same people who have been making your flight comfy and running around getting you drinks and extra snacks. The same people who are now trying to keep you alive by getting you off quickly. But it's ok to delay their safe egress because of "instinct"? Nonsense.
It's also instinct to swim when you're in water, but we all want lifejackets.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:03
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Could those in the know comment on;
No PA announcement for passengers to remain seated.
No instructions were given over PA to passengers for the duration of the video.
If the PA order to evacuate was given before video rolled then the evac was well beyond 90 seconds.
If no evac order given prior to video rolling why aren't CC telling everyone to remain seated?
We're the CC able to seen the engine sitting on top of the wing before opening right side middle cabin doors?

Did they only open right side doors when they realised that two of the left had side doors were not operative?


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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:03
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Regardless of what, why, who caused the Emirates 777 crash today, MASSIVE respect to the cabin crew that evacuated that aircraft without any loss of life. ‪#‎trainingmatters‬
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:10
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FE Hoppy:

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Why are fuel tank inerting systems now mandated if tanks don't explode?
Ive been to funerals due to a fuel tank exploding so don't talk out of your arse.
Have it your own way and join the multitude of uninformed media and armchair experts who talk about exploding jet fuel every time there is a crash and fire. Exploding wheels are a recognized safety hazard in an aircraft fire and you have Six(?) of them sitting in a pool of burning jet fuel under the right wing. The wheel rims contain fusible plugs to prevent brake fires causing a tyre explosion but maybe these didn't work as advertised this time.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:11
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Asiana 214 had some issues with slides, check that report for details, can't remember off the top of my head.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:12
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:18
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GREAT job by the Cabin Crew in the very worst of circumstances - GREAT respect for the fire crews who risk their lives in these situations (indeed one brave lad lost his life) - and good job ATC for picking a gear issue on final and sorting out the mess afterwards - Tower staff have so many things to monitor in the Cab it's GREAT to hear they still look out the windows and look out for those Pilots
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:18
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I know it might be an unpopular opinion in here but for once I'd like to give some pats on the back to the costa drinkers at EK HQ. The EK social media team and Network ops teams have done a great job in getting information out both about the accident as well as operational disruption information.

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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:24
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Don't you ladies and gents think that in case there is time to prepare the cabin for the emergency landing while the AC is still airborne, the pax should be given 5 min or so to collect their passports and say, one more item from their bags? So small items that they always try to save by taking the entire bag during the evac.

This could help to save precious time during the evac! You can clearly see that the evac could have been even faster if those mor*ns didn't waste time taking their luggage!

Plus imagine the crew is there with the plane on fire, risking his\her life for those extra 60 secs, so the pax can take their stupid bag?.. The risk is worth for someone's life, not someone's greed of not being able to let go luggage worth 70$..
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:40
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That video of the evacuation should become part of cabin crew training and viewed by all commercial pilots, it shows how people really react, not the orderly evacuation we see a training.

Amazing job by the flight attendants, they are often some of the nicest attendants and appear also to be great on the safety side of things.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:40
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I am not going to be drawn into a protracted physics lesson, but will just say that at no point did FE Hoppy mention FUEL exploding. Believe me he is well qualified to speak and is not one of the uninformed masses to which you allude. I suggest you read and digest the following, paying particular attention to the word 'ullage' and references to fuel tank inerting. I believe these are the funerals he refers to. RIP Lads and to the firefighter who lost his life earlier today.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...f_hercules.pdf
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 23:55
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MASSIVE respect to the cabin crew that evacuated that aircraft without any loss of life. ‪#‎trainingmatters‬
I have "massive" respect for Ppruners who have a complete understanding of what went on inside the cabin and what part CC played, especially since the Twitter video indicates evacuation may have taken longer than 90 seconds.

Unless we constructively criticise there will be no pressure to reevaluate procedures.
With sincere respect to cabin crew on this flight.



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Old 4th Aug 2016, 00:02
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I haven't trolled through all the comments, so I'm probably repeating what's already been said. Firstly, as an ex-EK 777 driver, may I offer an enormous 'well done' to the cabin crew. Convincing pax, (is it politically incorrect to say 'particularly from that part of the world'?) to leave their hand baggage behind is impossible. Ethiopian Airlines had an evacuation in Dubai some years ago and most of the pax were Nigerians on their way to Dubai to do major shopping/business. There was NO way they were going to leave their hand baggage behind, and the crew wisely recognised this and got everyone off, with their bags, far faster than they would have if they'd tried to enforce the no bags rule.

I'd be very surprised if the final report on this incident doesn't come to a similar conclusion. If there were only four injured in the evacuation, I'd have to say I'm amazed. Given the wide age and state of health range usually found on any EK flight, (on average, every EK flight in my day was met by 10 to 20 wheelchairs, but maybe we should not go there right now as to why that was so), I would have half expected one or more deaths due to heart attacks and the like in the most benign of evacuations, which this was was definitely not.
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Old 4th Aug 2016, 00:03
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"ABC World News Tonight," here in the States, said a few minutes ago the crew forgot to lower the landing gear, tower noticed the improper configuration, told the crew to go around, but evidently too late.
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Old 4th Aug 2016, 00:14
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With an air temperature (49C) well above the minimum flashpoint of JET-A1 (38C) and the ground surface (concrete or asphalt) likely to be even hotter, any fuel spill might well generate plenty of immediately ignitable vapour. Then any ignition source would cause a rapidly growing fire and even fuel/air explosions, causing the fire seen in the video sources mentioned so far.

Can any specialists comment on whether very hot airports have an increased fire risk of a fuel leak (compared to, for example, the BA38 crash where there was no fire, or the Asiana crash at SFO where fire seemed to take hold more slowly)?
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Old 4th Aug 2016, 00:24
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"ABC World News Tonight," here in the States, said a few minutes ago the crew forgot to lower the landing gear, tower noticed the improper configuration, told the crew to go around, but evidently too late.
Never say never, but rather unlikely - if you get below 250 ft. with the gear up you get a rather loud EICAS CONFIG warning.
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