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Etihad flight delayed 20hrs due wrong tow bar

Old 26th Jul 2016, 09:23
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Once again, can you not use a towbarless tractor for this aircraft type? We do it on 747 and 777.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 12:42
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Originally Posted by JammedStab View Post
Once again, can you not use a towbarless tractor for this aircraft type? We do it on 747 and 777.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 14:04
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Unless EY have very unique towbars (which I don't believe they woud have because it's not cost effective), then the normal A346 towbar is also used for the A345 as standard.It's a heavy weight towbar compared to others.
An A330/A343 towbar cannot be used for either aircraft due to the weight differential and the shear pin loading.
Are you sure that an A343 towbar was not loaded in error?
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 14:06
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Jammed Stab:
Yes, you can use a towbar less tractor on this aircraft type.
Done it many times.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 18:03
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When I worked there a few years ago there was a total of ONE towbarless tug.

It may have been ditched by now. No idea why they are not used more in Scotland.

Thinking more about it, its because stations like EDI and GLA get the dregs of the equipment. Almost all second hand, ex MAN or ex LHR.

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Old 26th Jul 2016, 18:18
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MAN doesn't even have an A346 capable TBL, so I'm doubting EDI has one.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 18:19
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A typical A346 bar is almost 12ft long (353cm) weighing 205kgs, not going inside any of the usual single aisles that grace EDI's ramp.

Plus, a station that has one probably has it for a reason, won't want to send it away for a day (or more).

On a related note, the new E190E2 family from Brazil has a different noseleg to
'classic' E190's, will need a different bar !

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Old 26th Jul 2016, 20:39
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won't want to send it away for a day
Should they decide to do it (and given the A340-600) does not fly to great numbers maybe they could switch gates (or rather use a non-contact/remote stand) for the daily flight although by looking at the volume I doubt how easy is to organize fast ground transportation..
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 20:57
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I doubt any ground handling agent would want to shoot themselves in the foot and cause extra issues for themselves to help out another station, due to a problem caused by the airlines own incompetence
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 21:15
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When you have time to spare, go by air. More time yet, go by jet.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 21:50
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Had the old A300 vs A320 tow bar issue years ago. Enough difference that the tow bar wouldn't lock in place. Tape to hold handle close to locked position and gentle pushback was the answer. It still came off. Thank goodness it was far enough back so that we could taxi away.
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Old 27th Jul 2016, 04:19
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We would never receive an aircraft onto a pushback bay if we didn't have the capability to push it back. That said, these guys obviously believed they had the proper equipment given the assumed correct tow bar was in the hold.
Probably easier all round to just put on to a power out bay in the first place.
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Old 27th Jul 2016, 10:29
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There isn't many airports in the UK where you're going to find a 'power out' parking stand capable of taking the A346, I'd imagine a lot of the taxiways at EDI struggle to take it let alone a parking stand
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Old 27th Jul 2016, 15:00
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...and when they landed, they thought they had a suitable bar onboard !
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Old 27th Jul 2016, 15:14
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Exactly! and sometimes things go wrong and you can't just conjure up expensive, and comparatively rare, pieces of equipment.
It was a mistake and they occur from time to time; always have and always will.
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Old 27th Jul 2016, 22:11
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Piss poor performance all round, I'd say.
The reason was obviously fatique. Or is that an excuse reserved for pilots?
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Old 31st Jul 2016, 13:15
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I believe something like this happened in Shannon a few years back. A Lufthansa A340 landed with an emergency. The captain asked the ground crew if they had the correct tow bar for the type as it is different to the A330 before he went on stand. Ground crew said yeh we have that type. Turns out they didn't; even after being told and one had to be flown out from Frankfurt. Was quite the delay.
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Old 31st Jul 2016, 16:02
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Lesson to be learned here,for all of us.
If you ever have to divert,enroute...avoid parking on a finger,unless you can confirm,100%, that they have a tow bar for your aircraft type..
Its in my diversion checklist..
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Old 31st Jul 2016, 19:19
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time to bring in that front gear with the motor so the ac can just move itself.
When I was about four years old (a VERY long time ago) I assumed that aircraft moved on the ground in the same manner as cars with the wheels being driven by the engine(s).

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Old 1st Aug 2016, 07:39
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jackharr I think I had similar thoughts.

Just one question on the topic- where the flight bringing the tow-bar was parked the next day? And did they leave the tow-bar there?
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