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Fire fighting plane disappeared in Siberia

Old 3rd Jul 2016, 13:57
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looks like CFIT in smoky skies. 10 crew RIP

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Old 3rd Jul 2016, 16:57
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It is not really wildland, dozens of small villages are elsewhere if with very poor road system. Also there is couple of large cities in vicinity and smoke from wildfires makes breathing there difficult and at +30C life is hell.
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 09:16
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It's MAK case so updates and final report will be available at The Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) - official website
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 14:18
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Thanks again Kulverstukas. Please update us when more info is available.

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Yes, with the current political situation I'm guessing that's why the Be200 isn't more used. Very sad though - she seems like a very capable aircraft. Interesting that she passed the US tests too!

I really hope all this political gibberish dials down a few notches, trade is sooo much more interesting than armed conflict. I mean, Russia would make great impressions in the fire fighting business, SAVING lives, instead of threatening us tiny Nordic countries with non-transponder Tu95-s doing flybys across CPH and RISKING lives.

The IL-76 is a magnificient beast too. Maybe a bit complicated to fly, apparently, but isn't she one of the planes that actually can land at Antarctica?
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 16:11
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Both Be-200 and Il-76 now has 2-crew version with glass cockpits, also you can buy Il-76 with more modern PS-90 engines instead of D-30.

PS: @MrSnuggles - also since yesterday Russian planes will flew WITH transponders ON. So the ball is on the NATO side of the field now.
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 18:06
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Originally Posted by Kulverstukas
Both Be-200 and Il-76 now has 2-crew version with glass cockpits, also you can buy Il-76 with more modern PS-90 engines instead of D-30.
Wow the il-76 is still being produced? Amazing
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 19:15
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Wow the il-76 is still being produced?
About two per year since 2003 and about dozen now in different stages of production. It's not taking into account planes which are restored/modernized from storage.
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Old 4th Jul 2016, 19:29
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CVR and FDR of Il-76TD RA-76840 was delivered to IAC lab. Both was damaged in fire. After opening it was found that tape from MARS CVR is in satisfactory condition and solid memory in MSRP 64M-5 FDR is in good condition. Both was read and copied to safe media. Preliminary analysis shows that both records has information about accident. Deciphering and analyzing is under way.



UPD: source from IAC investigation team told today that "till the last second there was routine communication in the cockpit, seems crew was unaware about dangerous a/c position"

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Old 24th Jul 2016, 22:02
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14 july 2016


The Interstate Aviation Committee informs about contiтuation of the activities on investigation of the accident with Il-76ТD RA-76840 aircraft.
Activities on making up the crew speech extract with identification of users by the airline air staff are being completed.
Activities on the aircraft flight path recovery and evaluation of aircraft systems and engines operability according to flight recorders data are in progress.
Subcommissions and task teams carry out the analysis of crew level of training, compliance with aeronautical equipment regulations, meteorological conditions and the procedure of emergency flight management and execution using all avaliable information (flight and maintenance documentation, meteodocumentation, etc.).
The Commission continues its work.
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Old 25th Jul 2016, 00:19
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Thanks for the updates Kulverstukas.
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Old 10th Aug 2016, 10:02
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05 august 2016

The Interstate Aviation Committee informs about the continuation of the work of the Commission for the investigation of an aircraft accident Ilyushin Il-76td aircraft RA-76840 EMERCOM of Russia.


On the site of IAC published an interim report (advance information) about the investigation.


Interim report (advance information) issued in accordance with section 2.4.12 rules of investigation of accidents and incidents involving civilian aircraft in the Russian Federation and clause 7.4 of annex 13 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation (ICAO). The report contains information received at this point in the Commission to investigate the facts.


The Commission continues to work on the collection and analysis of information on the training of the crew, his assessment and emotional condition and action in an emergency flight, as well as the health of units and systems of aircraft.


Upon completion of the Commission of inquiry will be prepared the final report.

The information presented in the interim report, the information is provisional and can be updated and supplemented by the results of research.


Attached documents:


Interim Report RA-76840.pdf (1.54 MB)
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At the 36th minute of the flight Cpt instructed the crew to set QNH=1007 hPa and began to descend.

At 3:03:35 (45 minute of the flight) was performed right turn MK = 342° in order to get to "reserve" fire (up to 3:04:40 flight was performed in automatic control mode, then automatic height stabilization was disabled and from 3:07:10 flight was in manual height mode). Sine then flight was performed on Hg = 200-100 m, the crew reports that ground visibility was only "directly under" or none. From 3:06:27 (48 minute of the flight) and to the end of CVR/FDR recording (55 minute of the flight) for ~ 7 minutes, repeatedly recorded height warning "PUSH UP" and "GROUND AHEAD"
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At 3:11:52 (Navigator report at 03:12 of the target range 5 km) Cpt decided on further descend, flight parameters recorded were: V = 345 km/h, MK = 190° Hb = 1000 m, Hg = 210 m, max height of the hill, located directly on the flight path at a distance of ~ 5 km, was 945 m.


At 3:12:24 navigator informed of the target distance of 3.5 km, Cpt continued descend.

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