EgyptAir 804 disappears from radar Paris-Cairo
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Has someone had the time and opportunity to look at the weather in detail ?
Early on a jetstream was reported of 110+ knots.
Can anyone confirm that ... for the LKP ?
FR gave 33.6757 028.7924 ... had someone read an official statement giving an LKP ?
Early on a jetstream was reported of 110+ knots.
Can anyone confirm that ... for the LKP ?
FR gave 33.6757 028.7924 ... had someone read an official statement giving an LKP ?
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they would have time to call a Mayday
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<<Perhaps one engine may have flamed out, causing the crew to exit 90 degrees from the airway whilst trying to restart the engine.>>
Is this now standard procedure?
Is this now standard procedure?
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Greek air safety authorities deny EgyptAir wreckage found
Hotel Tango. You say that
That's true. But the point is that we have no evidence as to when, or even if, such problems did occur in that time. On the other hand, we have fairly strong circumstantial evidence that something was going wrong during that last 2 minutes and 40 seconds before the "the flight signal was lost from radar", as the Hellenic CAA put it. That's because, during that time, 804 was not responding to repeated calls from Athinai ACC.
39 minutes earlier, the CAA says
What that surely suggests is that this was not an instantaneous event that immediately incapacitated the crew. It was, rather, something that caused the crew to be taking some kind of, perhaps desperate, action during those 2minutes and 40seconds - and perhaps for longer than that.
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....or I suppose it could suggest that the crew had been incapacitated, and that, for those 2 mins 40 secs, the aircraft was flying itself.
any problems the crew may have encountered.....could have been any time after 02:48
39 minutes earlier, the CAA says
The pilot was jocund and thanked in Greek.
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....or I suppose it could suggest that the crew had been incapacitated, and that, for those 2 mins 40 secs, the aircraft was flying itself.
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IF it was a terrorist assault, we'd hope to find out where whatever/whoever was loaded.
CDG seems unlikely.
CDG seems unlikely.
Really?
"France: Document shows fear of radical airport workers as early as 2004"
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Cut and paste from the EgypttAir Website....
EGYPTAIR FLIGHT MS 804
The Missing Aircraft of EGYPTAIR Flight number MS 804 PARIS CAIRO
19/05/2016
CAIRO – May 19, 2016 – EGYPTAIR resource stated that the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has just received an official letter from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs declaring the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No. MS 804 near Karpathos Island. EGYPTAIR sincerely conveys its deepest sorrow to the families and friends of the passengers onboard Flight MS804. Family members of passengers and crew have been already informed and we extend our deepest sympathies to those affected. Meanwhile, the Egyptian Investigation Team in co-operation with the Greek counterpart are still searching for other remains of the missing plane. For more information,please call 080077770000 within Egypt Or +20225989320 international
EGYPTAIR FLIGHT MS 804
The Missing Aircraft of EGYPTAIR Flight number MS 804 PARIS CAIRO
19/05/2016
CAIRO – May 19, 2016 – EGYPTAIR resource stated that the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation has just received an official letter from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs declaring the finding of wreckage of the missing aircraft No. MS 804 near Karpathos Island. EGYPTAIR sincerely conveys its deepest sorrow to the families and friends of the passengers onboard Flight MS804. Family members of passengers and crew have been already informed and we extend our deepest sympathies to those affected. Meanwhile, the Egyptian Investigation Team in co-operation with the Greek counterpart are still searching for other remains of the missing plane. For more information,please call 080077770000 within Egypt Or +20225989320 international
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Having been a first officer on a KC-135R, and having experienced an engine shutdown on my #3 engine, followed by a fire warning on #1 (determined to be erroneous while my Captain was issuing our MAYDAY call), while almost 400-miles from the nearest adequate runway, I, for one, was more than glad to have had that flight engineer's carcass stationed four feet from my back.
Stuff happens, and it sometimes gets damned busy in the cockpit. That third set of eyes, and ears is often priceless, no matter what the bean counters say.
Stuff happens, and it sometimes gets damned busy in the cockpit. That third set of eyes, and ears is often priceless, no matter what the bean counters say.
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it's highly unlikely that the Greek airforce reconnaissance planes operating out of Iraklio and Chania in Crete didn't find any debris for a full day in a well-known area for a full day under good weather conditions. If there is any.
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I've found that in that neck of the woods, pilots often just move onto the next freq without being handed off. Well known radio 'dead-zone' in that part of the Med when talking to Cairo. Often had to wait 10-20 mins before getting hold of them, even at FL450....if you dont get stepped on or ignored...
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Flt deck policy
Does anyone know whether in aftermath of German Wings, Egypt Air adopted a no single flight deck crew SOP, like many EU operators did ? In this case we're looking at an about 10 min before of top of descent, into a good 4 hour flight. Just thinking...
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vmandr, unaccounted in as much as whatever may have developed prior to loss of radar contact at 03:29 may have occured at any time from the last radio TX from the aircraft at 02:48. It was only when ATC initiated a routine change of frequency TX at 03:27 that they realised there was no comm with the a/c. That doesn't mean that any problems the crew may have encountered was at that precise moment. It could have been any time after 02:48.
However, during this perio the plane was flying normally therefore, this seems to discount a sudden bomb planted at the airport. If a bomb went ofd you dont get 2 mins straigjt and level then disappear. Something happened inside the plane. Of course who know it could have been fire leading to loss of comms that thwn ruptured the plane. Only one of so many possible theories rigt now.
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"I, for one, was more than glad to have had that flight engineer's carcass stationed four feet from my back"
I have never seen a dedicated FE station on any KC 135, much less a flight engineer? What am I missing? Also never heard the term F/O when speaking of an Air Force pilot on a KC135?
I have never seen a dedicated FE station on any KC 135, much less a flight engineer? What am I missing? Also never heard the term F/O when speaking of an Air Force pilot on a KC135?
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reported about 25 minutes ago - Greece's lead air accident investigator Athanasios Binis said the wreckage found near the Greek island of Karpathos was not from the Airbus A320.
But earlier, Egyptian officials said debris from the jet had been found.
and
But earlier, Egyptian officials said debris from the jet had been found.
and
the head of the Greek air safety authority, Athanassios Binos, has told state ERT TV that the wreckage "does not come from a plane". He said: "Up to now the analysis of the debris indicates that it does not come from a plane, my Egyptian counterpart also confirmed to me that it was not yet proven that the debris came from the EgyptAir flight when we were last in contact around 1745 GMT." Officials say all potential debris located so far in the sea has been spotted by Egyptian aircraft.
Kumbi is the waypoint that the aircraft last crossed, and shortly thereafter it exploded.
Karpathos is 129 NM distance, in the opposite direction of travel.
That is quite a distance for wreckage to drift to. Hardly believable.
Karpathos is 129 NM distance, in the opposite direction of travel.
That is quite a distance for wreckage to drift to. Hardly believable.
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"A senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the U.S. capabilities in the region told NBC News the cause of the crash remains unclear, but infrared and multispectral imagers indicate strongly there was an explosion on the flight. "
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neiva 83 (and others), the 2 minutes is in my mind irrelevant. The last known TX was 02:48. What if ATC had tried to contact them at say 03:10? Do we know if they would have responded then? All we know is that there was no response at 03:27 only because that was the time ATC called them, without success.
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still people typically do not stop communicating before a sudden explosion occurs... No matter whether 40 or 2 Minutes, it is quite strange that "it exploded" shortly after an unsuccessful attempt to contact the aircraft.
It would be very, very unlikely that failure of communication equipment / incapacitation of the crew and an explosion both happen purely accidentially on the same flight...
Something more happened before the aircraft "suddenly" disappeared. The CVR may tell
It would be very, very unlikely that failure of communication equipment / incapacitation of the crew and an explosion both happen purely accidentially on the same flight...
Something more happened before the aircraft "suddenly" disappeared. The CVR may tell
