EgyptAir 804 disappears from radar Paris-Cairo
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We had real-time telemetry of the moon landing and 47 years ago, right upto the moment of (soft) impact with the lunar surface.
And we sit here looking at text from the news channels to try to find out what hapenned more than 5 hours ago.
The technology is there, has been discussed to death. It's not a problem with volume of data either, as has been discussed and agreed on this forum.
And we sit here looking at text from the news channels to try to find out what hapenned more than 5 hours ago.
The technology is there, has been discussed to death. It's not a problem with volume of data either, as has been discussed and agreed on this forum.
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Did Greek authorities say anything about when exactly they identified that there was a problem. I vaguely remember that following the Helios accident in Athens, internal ATC procedures were revised or should be revised according to the recommendations of the accident report such as to act substantially more quickly in case of loss of radio contact.
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I wonder what the primary and secondary radar coverage is like in the KUMBI area, given that it is 151nm from Crete and about 160nm from the nearest point on the coast of Egypt?
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The named "rumour section" of a named "rumour network". And yet still the eternal complaints against the presence of rumour. Laughable if not so tedious, and space-wasting. Rather like this.
Hmm, an Airbus disappearing suddenly during cruise? Where have I seen this before?
1. Egyptair.
2. In the Cruise with no abnormalities.
3. WX good.
4. France/Egypt.
5. ISIL Threats towards Egyptians/Westerners.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the likely sixth piece. It also doesn't take a genius to know the Egyptians will deny it till they are blue in the face (much form in the area).
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Of course it was Ex-Cairo before CDG, it's an Egyptair aircraft ! They don't have rights to fly Asmara - Tunis - Paris - Cairo. When they say it had been to Tunis and Asmara before this flight I think there's an assumption of a degree of understanding that what is meant is the aircraft flew from Cairo to Asmara and back, then Cairo - Tunis and back then to Paris and was on the return leg to it's home base when it disappeared.
A quote from Frank Gardner - the BBC's security correspondent:-
I trust his words more than most!
There were no distress calls that we know of, which would imply that something sudden and catastrophic took place that gave the crew no time to put out a distress call. This is 2016 - planes don't just fall out of the sky. The suspicion is that it's an act of terrorism of some form, which means was it shot down or was a bomb put on board, if that is the case.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Sky report Greek defence minister saying it made a 90 degree left turn, followed by a reversal and a 360 degree right turn before leaving radar cover. Presumably a primary radar report from AD radar as it doesn't show on ADSB. Presumably indicating whatever happened resulted in either loss of electrical power to the ADSB or someone in the cockpit turning it off.
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KARPATHOS 352900N 0271000E MSSR has a nominal 200+ nm range, so theoretically, covers an area beyond LGGG UIR and Karpathos-KUMBI is 101 nm.
KARPATHOS 352900N 0271000E MSSR has a nominal 200+ nm range, so theoretically, covers an area beyond LGGG UIR and Karpathos-KUMBI is 101 nm.
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Sky report Greek defence minister saying it made a 90 degree left turn, followed by a reversal and a 360 degree right turn before leaving radar cover. Presumably a primary radar report from AD radar as it doesn't show on ADSB. Presumably indicating whatever happened resulted in either loss of electrical power to the ADSB or someone in the cockpit turning it off.
There were no distress calls that we know of, which would imply that something sudden and catastrophic took place that gave the crew no time to put out a distress call. This is 2016 - planes don't just fall out of the sky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contin...ss_Flight_2574
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indone...ia_Flight_8501
.. plenty of other explanations, sadly.
True that UK and Russia have cancelled all their flights to Egypt for the time being due to security concerns?
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I note the Oceanus bulk carrier is stll in the area and from its track it is stopping regularly. This vessel has four deck cranes and would be perfect to recover any floating debris regardless of size and has deck hatches to place anything recovered on to.
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Speculation on this is soul destroying. So much rubbish being banded about that people will believe that will be proven to be complete codswallop when the evidence is found and interpreted.
