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EgyptAir 804 disappears from radar Paris-Cairo

Old 20th May 2016, 08:54
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Glad to see IFALPA is making the effort to jump on the publicity bandwagon
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Old 20th May 2016, 08:57
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The only confirmed evidence we have is the last known position and last voice transmission. The first being close to an international FIR boundary, the second being friendly and unconcerned. Interesting comparison to MH370, although it may be coincidence. Also, where is the most remote point on the route with the greatest depth of sea? No claims of responsibility, either. Certainly a possibility that it was intentional but what probability...?
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:04
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AFP and Sky reporting Egyptian authorities have confirmed they've found wreckage this time.
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:16
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Sky news update

Skynews are now reporting that debris from the aircraft has been found some 180 nm from Alexandria. Apparantly confirmed by the military as aircraft debris including some passenger personal effects.
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:17
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Originally Posted by ETOPS View Post

What evidence is, so far, that this aircraft has actually crashed?
Sure it is overdue and the radar return ceased over the Med but take a look sideways....
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Regard the Imarsat option mentioned on this thread, there are not many short haul operators who would bother with Imarsat. Their routes are too short and too well covered with ACARS coverage and ground frequencies to bother with an Imarsat link. But perhaps it is time to rethink the monitoring of aircraft in flight, either by permanent transponder or an Imarsat type option. Aviation cannot continue with this great question mark hanging over it - it saps public confidence in the industry.

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Old 20th May 2016, 09:18
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Egyptian navy finds EgyptAir wreckage - AJE News
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Looking at marinetraffic.com all vessels involved in S/R yesterday are now back to their original course, none left in the general area.
That would fit with initial wreckage identified, and remaining search conducted by the Egyptian Navy. 290kms North of Alexandria is very close to LKP
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:19
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The EgyptianAir Force says it has found wreckage from the missingEgyptAir plane. - A military spokesman said in a statement that wreckage and personal belongings of passengers were found 290km off the Egyptian coast, north of the Mediterranean city of Alexandria. The spokesman said the Navy was sweeping the area for the aircraft's black box. EgyptAir officials said 100 relatives of the missing passengers have gathered at a nearby hotel.

Hope they are right this time (and linked personal belongings to people actually on board). Clear change from the strange 'close to Karpathos' statements.
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:19
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BBC reporting confirmed debris now.

'Debris found' from Egyptair plane - BBC News
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:21
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https://www.facebook.com/Egy.Army.Sp...33477036783280

Official statement , confirmed finding debris and parts belonging to the aircraft and passengers belongings by the Egyptian navy 290km north of Alexandria
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:24
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Aviation cannot continue with this great question mark hanging over it - it saps public confidence in the industry.
Sorry my friend but 99% of Joe Public have lost interest in this story already and are back to there normal lives. This is just another tragedy which will soon be completely forgotten once the media lose interest.
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Old 20th May 2016, 09:27
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the Greeks disclosed some info about this flight, maybe not as detailed as some have wished. I noticed Egyptair receives regular ACARS messages from its fleet some with full positional data lat/long/alt/spd/trk. It will be nice if they disclosed such info. When was the last one received ?

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Old 20th May 2016, 09:45
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Twelve - billion - kilometres.

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I'm shocked that in 2016, we can't pinpoint to a fairly decent degree of certainty where the aircraft could be after 24hrs of daylight since it went missing.

I don't blame you from being shocked, considering the following:

The last successful reception of telemetry was received from Pioneer 10 on April 27, 2002; subsequent signals were barely strong enough to detect, and provided no usable data. The final, very weak signal from Pioneer 10 was received on January 23, 2003 when it was 12 billion kilometers (80 AU) from Earth
Twelve - billion - kilometres. How many nautical miles is that?

I would assume the technology exists but not the need to know?

Maybe it's not too shocking after all.
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Old 20th May 2016, 10:15
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290 km directly north of Alexandria puts the debris location about 25 km within the Greek FIS, with the boundary running on about a 283 heading at that point. So if the wreck is exactly 290 km north of Alexandria, it is in Greek territory, if it is a bit further west, closer to the LKP, it is within the Cairo FIS. So if Greece wants to get involved in the investigation, they probably have a right to sit at the table.
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Old 20th May 2016, 10:19
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Data exchange between aircraft would obviate the need for the detection of weak signals - at least on frequently used routes.
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Old 20th May 2016, 10:25
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I would assume the technology exists but not the need to know?
Pioneer is a bad example, we can't go around listening to aircraft with the deep space network, that'd be overkill. The two situations are not comparable.
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Old 20th May 2016, 10:37
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"Facebook" - Mo ?

"Egyptian aircraft and navy vessels have found personal belongings of passengers and parts of the wreckage 290 kilometres (180 miles) north of Alexandria," a military spokesman said on his Facebook page.
Mo122 - Can you enlighten as to the likely accuracy of the report above? Facebook is not exactly where I'd expect any "official" notification.

(Or am I behind the times )

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Old 20th May 2016, 10:42
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I can assure you it's very accurate and official , as an Egyptian I can tell you this is the official page and gateway to the armed forces information to the public. 100% official armed forces spokesman.
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Old 20th May 2016, 10:48
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@ExSimGuy on Facebook

A surprising number of authorities indeed use Facebook and Twitter. When you look at MH370 they reported first on Facebook and in some cases had their websites running days behind that. One of the PPRuNe locals there confirmed this prio use of Facebook.

If they dont have a process in place like you expect for an official website, then these authorities run the risk of publishing premature and incorrect information. Something which has happened a number of times. The present case is no exception of preliminary reporting.

For people on PPRuNe this is at least a bit annoying. For families in cases like these it is painful (see interviews with families).
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Old 20th May 2016, 10:56
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apparently you forget Greece till recently had 'procedural control' albeit supplemented by radar for a veeery looooong test period, and cluttered vhf. Well situation has improved.
now they clear you to destination, they tell you 'omit position reporting' and they usually contact you only for sector or FIR/UIR changeover, or to 'relay info' to another flight. Comms far better now days in Greece. HTH
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