two AF planes collided in fog at CDG
The timings don't quite add up.
JACDEC reports that the collision took place at 03:57Z (05:57L) as the 777 was taxying in. The outbound A320 wasn't due to push until 07:15L, so it seems more likely that it was the one being towed onto stand at the time.
Either that, or the time reported for the event is incorrect.
Edit: It was indeed the empty 777 that was being towed off stand, the incident took place at 07:30L, according to this report:
Deux avions d'Air France entrent en collision à Roissy-Charles-de-Gaulle - L'Express
JACDEC reports that the collision took place at 03:57Z (05:57L) as the 777 was taxying in. The outbound A320 wasn't due to push until 07:15L, so it seems more likely that it was the one being towed onto stand at the time.
Either that, or the time reported for the event is incorrect.
Edit: It was indeed the empty 777 that was being towed off stand, the incident took place at 07:30L, according to this report:
Deux avions d'Air France entrent en collision à Roissy-Charles-de-Gaulle - L'Express
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Is this another case of a costly collision because a towed a/c did not have a 'wing walker' (as in eyeballs on the ground and not some dolly on top of a bi-plane) in contact with the tug driver?
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Sometimes wing walkers just end up being witnesses to the impact. I've watched many videos where a wing walker is clearly looking at the wing/vert. stab as it impacts another aicraft/wall, and says absolutely nothing!
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The ineptness (human error) of the participant is not necessarily a fault in the basic idea. Lack of training/awareness/concentration/responsibility etc.?
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The ineptness (human error) of the participant is not necessarily a fault in the basic idea. Lack of training/awareness/concentration/responsibility etc.?
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Come on Bloggs: you know what I meant. I've seen too many totally unnecessary very expensive fuselage damages due to towing/pushbacks without wingtip spotters. Many of these were a/c being pushed out of hangers after maintenance. No yellow lines and an inconvenient spotlight pole that just happened to jump out and strike the a/c for no good reason.
No a/c movement without a spotter is a basic procedure like 2 people in the cockpit at all times. Whether people follow that SOP, professionally, is another matter. But what is guaranteed is no-one will do it if it's not required. Common sense disappeared long ago.
No a/c movement without a spotter is a basic procedure like 2 people in the cockpit at all times. Whether people follow that SOP, professionally, is another matter. But what is guaranteed is no-one will do it if it's not required. Common sense disappeared long ago.
Rat, I was serious. Your statement should be on the desktop as a safety message. It might make people think about not dumbing down the rules but training up the participants. 
