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Batik Air (Lion Group) on fire at Jakarta's Halim Airport

Old 4th Apr 2016, 15:18
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Batik Air (Lion Group) on fire at Jakarta's Halim Airport

Batik Air flight ID 7703 caught fire this evening. Reports are sketchy but it appears to be whilst taxiing out for a flight from Jakarta's Halim to UPG (Ujung Pandang).

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It seems to be a collision between the Batik Air 738 and a Trasn Nusa ATR42 parked on the apron as it taxied past.

Correction: Reports now saying a runway incursion by the ATR42. But if that's the case, then why would the vertical stabilizer of the ATR42 be sliced off? I suspect the ATR was backtracking and exiting the runway but wasn't completely off the runway before the B738 collected it.
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Old 4th Apr 2016, 15:36
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A photo of the burned end of the RH wing can be found here:

Pesawat Batik Air yang Tabrakan Tujuan Makassar


Someone was more fast. See photos above.
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Old 4th Apr 2016, 15:53
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Video. Quick response by RFFS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQZ98Dhf_No
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Collision during takeoff roll. Reports that the TransNusa ATR42 was being towed to a maintenance facility.
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already aired here

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So what plane ruptured the fuel tank? I tried reading and couldn't decipher it
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Jeez

"Lion Air Owned"

It's bad enough that Indonesian carriers regularly write off new hulls. Reputable carriers fly into Jakarta. How will they react to this incident. This could easily have been a CX, SQ, BA et all event.

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If this is in response to my comment, I wasn't suggesting that a fuel tank had been ruptured but was simply puzzled by the flare up as the RFFS started spraying the wingtip. But there must have been some fuel source for the fire and I'd be surprised if it was anything other than fuel, and it had to come from somewhere. Does the fuel tank/system extend that far into the wing?
Maybe they sent a fuel bowser rather than the RFFS
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Seems to have happened nearer to the start of the take-off roll. Pretty luck that the 738 wasn't past V1, could have been a lot worse.
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Another ten seconds or so on the timing either way would have resulted in a very near miss, or total disaster.

Think back to Tenerife North. KLM v PAN AM
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It's bad enough that Indonesian carriers regularly write off new hulls. Reputable carriers fly into Jakarta. How will they react to this incident. This could easily have been a CX, SQ, BA et all event
Not that it makes any difference but its a different airport.
Any theories yet? ATC?, Tug?, Pilot?
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Halim is Jakarta's secondary airport, most foreign airlines operate at Soekarno-Hatta which is operating at well over design capacity.
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all 60 Indon airlines are banned from flying EU -for good reason.
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Indonesian carriers seek removal from EU blacklist | Safety content from ATWOnline

Three of Indonesia’s largest carriers—Batik Air, Citilink and Lion Air—are seeking a reappraisal of the European Union’s (EU) carrier blacklist next month. Of the country’s major carriers, only national flag carrier Garuda Indonesia has been granted full EU access since it was delisted in 2009.
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Look, I don't want to wade in here, but the cock-up is spectacular, and the outcome pretty good, although not great. Hell, I'll even call it awe-inspiring.
So, yeah, either the flight crew missed the call to line up and wait, because tower was giving priority to a tug over the sole outbound aircraft, or the tug driver just caused more damage than he ('cos it is a he) would earn in 30 years of dragging them around. Or, of course, tower cleared everyone indiscriminately.
Make your odds how you will; I put van Zant 2.0 at 20:1.
Here's something I'd like to know: elsewhere I've seen clucking about flight crew not lowering the flaps for evacuation, although nobody was injured. This judgement comes from the video, which is shot after all pax have evacuated. Yet, when the first fire truck arrives (btw that 'flare up' is just fire illuminating the water) and starts the hose, two people with flashlights exit via the L1 slide. Now, either ARFF inserted some badasses before they could get engines on the scene, or two pros in the plane did their funkin' job, irrespective of the contingencies of mgmt, atc, chronic fatigue, systemic corruption, linguistic confusion, religious dissension, their own mistakes, or any number of other reasons that we'd find perfectly valid.

So, yeah, to the last two off: I salute you for doing your job. You took it.
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"all 60 Indon airlines are banned from flying EU -for good reason."

so that Garuda flight I took two months ago from Amsterdam was a fiction eh?

Garuda flies tothe UK & NL
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Garuda used to wet lease a lot in Europe. If they still do, then couldn't you have been on one of them, and since that would be operated by another airline, the ban wouldn't apply? I have no idea if Garuda are on the blacklist or not, and don't care enough to look it up; I'm just offering an explanation.
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No they are not.
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Av Herald reports that the ground handling company has been suspended from operating at this airport until it is recertified as compliant with their NTSC recommendations. So it appears that it was the towed ATR that was where it was not supposed to be. The controllers involved were put on "emotional leave" due the stress/shock of the accident.

Filter that through your own opinion of Indonesian bureacracy as you will - I'm taking it at face value for the moment.
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