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Explosions at Brussels Airport

Old 23rd Mar 2016, 02:15
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There are many airports in the U.S. (e.g. Denver) that charge a fee for entering (all by motor vehicle). It wouldn't be impossible to have an inspection at these toll gates -- which are located about a mile or two from the terminal.
Then you get queues at the toll gates, where they set off truck bombs.

Anywhere that security causes queues will be an obvious target for terrorists to attack. The only long-term solution is to get rid of the terrorists.
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Old 23rd Mar 2016, 02:25
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Don't disagree that it could be attempted. However, transportation still seems to be the target of choice and I expect it to remain so for a reason. It is woefully weak in security posture. Better security at every football/baseball game here.

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Old 23rd Mar 2016, 03:33
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If John Smeaton has any of that donated booze left over, it may have found a new home with a fellow Baggage-Handler.
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Old 23rd Mar 2016, 04:20
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One easy measure though not foolproof is to prevent anyone other than passengers entering airport terminals. It's done in India, - oh before everyone shout's and employees, crew etc.
Can't quote the timescale now, but I was visiting California a few years ago, when the local Press published that the staff car park at LAX was easy for anyone to use, "illegal" obviously, but there was no check made, and more to the point no check was made of those who boarded the shuttle bus which then went AIRSIDE without being stopped ! I hope the system was changed as a result, but don't hold your breath.

Meanwhile ... bond fide passengers were, and are, being given the 3rd degree to board their aircraft.

Sadly - the Bad Boys will do exactly what they want to do precisely whenever they want to do it, and as has already been stated, aircraft were once a 'soft' target and hit the headlines, making them more difficult, and I'm not suggesting we shouldn't, will only shift the targets. San Bernadino, Paris, now Brussels - where next, railway stations, theatres ?
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Old 23rd Mar 2016, 10:58
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Security checks were stepped up at Swiss airports and at the borders amid nervousness following the Brussels attacks.

There was a high presence of armed cantonal police at Zurich airport on Tuesday, the Tages-Anzeiger reported.

Several dozen police officers were checking passengers in the arrivals and departure halls of Switzerland’s biggest airport.

However, the Federal Office of Civil Aviation, which has the power to order a higher level of security at Swiss airports in view of a heightened threat had not done so, the paper said.

The Swiss Border Guard had also stepped up its checks in international trains and at border points, a spokesman told the paper.

The Federal Intelligence Service said on Tuesday it had no evidence of a specific threat to Switzerland.
Flights disrupted after Brussels attacks - The Local
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Old 23rd Mar 2016, 14:03
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Give the job to the military, all three services.
Poor idea. This is a security/police function. The military are a "go out and get 'em" organization.
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Old 23rd Mar 2016, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
The military are a "go out and get 'em" organization.
Maybe that's what is needed.
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Old 24th Mar 2016, 08:47
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
RoyHudd: "Terrorism kills innocent folk, in addition to the everyday risks we all take. It is unjustifiable."


Some people are so sure it is justified that they will kill themselves and go to Heaven for eternity for it.
Originally Posted by jiggi
There, fixed it for you.

IMHO no religion has place in civilized society.
This FB-post from a Belgian is a better reply:
"Dear terrorist,
You just blew yourself up. And you blew a dozen other people to pieces too.
So what happens now? Nothing.
You will not even realise that heaven was denied to you. You will not even realise that there is no hell. You will not even realise that there is no soul that survives you. No virgins waiting for you. No. You are no longer.
Just like the dozen other people. Their life ends here. Now.
You are not a hero. You are a gullible, naive kid. You were manipulated by older, also naive and gullible people. You were heartless and cruel. Your manipulators are heartless and cruel. And stupid.
What have you achieved? Nothing. The only thing you created is sadness and indignation. Sure, you have created antipathy for your god. You have created some more islamophobia. You have created some more racism and you have limited the chances of your family and friends and compatriots to build a normal life in Europe.
You are no longer. In a few days your mess will be cleaned up. Life will continue as before. The indignation will fade with your memory. Only the sadness will remain among the families of your victims. And my words will never reach you even. You are no longer.
You have missed all the chances to be someone. You have ignored the opportunities to become somebody. You have taken the wrong route. The route into nothingness. You were nothing. You are nothing."
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Old 24th Mar 2016, 10:49
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sabenaboy, thanks for that link! I of course re-shared it to whomever it might concern.

Now to my own thoughts on this crazy stuff... and I am not going to use fluffy-puffy huggy language here. Let's call an idiot an idiot, ok?

So. These idiots are most likely some local dudes. Studies have shown that second generation immigrants are more likely to be involved in terrorist stuff*. These idiots are unhappy with things as they are not to their liking. Instead of moving to a place more to their liking they want to transform their surroundings to obey their liking. (Which in itself is never justifiable.)

Now, Europe has seen an unprecedented influx of refugees from the war crimes in Syria. I would think this would make the local idiots happy, now there are more people they have common ground with, right?

No. Instead they blow up Brussels.

This is insane thinking on so many levels. I can't even comprehend them justifying this. I know there are some passages about infidels in the Koran, but.. ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME? In Europe we realised that holy wars were obsolete sometime around 1200 AD. The Islamic calendar is 600 years behind, but you'd think they too would have realised this around 1200 After Muhammed.

*In Sweden we have hundred of thousands of second generation Finlanders, we have large amounts of second generation Germans, Chileans, ex-Yugoslavians and various other nationalities. None of those has ever been subject to a terrorist investigation. Why are there only people from the ME blowing up stuff? Hmm?
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Old 24th Mar 2016, 13:44
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I don't normally rate the Daily Mail, but this article may help to explain some of the issues that motivate these terrorists:-
Why will no one admit the way some western Muslims raise their children is fomenting terror? | Daily Mail Online
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Old 24th Mar 2016, 15:41
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They are going to keep hitting airports and train stations because those are node/choke points where targets are collected in a small area. Sports events as well.
There are many more even softer targets with just as many people milling around. They will never run out of suitable targets.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 06:51
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Exactly right, Hotel Tango...as proven by the attacks in Paris at the end of last year. There it was a rock concert, restaurants and bars.

Moving security for airports outside the building would just result in moving the target to the queue of people waiting to go through security.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 08:17
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sabenaboy,

Not a very smart response (maybe the guy should go back to his beer and "frites"). The guys blowing up themselves in Zaventem and Maalbeek metro station firmly believed that they were going to meet the virgins and hurt the enemy they did destroy some infidels, they may keep some people from enjoying their life etc. Some people may end up out of job - SABENA shut down after the 2001 attacks didn't it?

I am not religious and I often do what other people including cops would say is blasphemy believing it dos not matter because there might not be a God. However a deeply religious friend pointed out how do I know that for sure. So if these guys believe the story about virgins and hurting the enemy (and to some degree he might be just be right) I am afraid no matter how eloquent the FB posts are as useful as the proverbial chocolate kitchen glove.

Should we look how the small country with the white and blue starred flag treats people making nasty thinks to its citizen?

And yes I believe that no matter where you put a crowd you create a target.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Rwy in Sight View Post
sabenaboy,

Not a very smart response (maybe the guy should go back to his beer and "frites"). The guys blowing up themselves in Zaventem and Maalbeek metro station firmly believed that they were going to meet the virgins and hurt the enemy they did destroy some infidels, they may keep some people from enjoying their life etc. Some people may end up out of job - SABENA shut down after the 2001 attacks didn't it?

I am not religious and I often do what other people including cops would say is blasphemy believing it dos not matter because there might not be a God. However a deeply religious friend pointed out how do I know that for sure. So if these guys believe the story about virgins and hurting the enemy (and to some degree he might be just be right) I am afraid no matter how eloquent the FB posts are as useful as the proverbial chocolate kitchen glove.

Should we look how the small country with the white and blue starred flag treats people making nasty thinks to its citizen?

And yes I believe that no matter where you put a crowd you create a target.
Rwy in Sight,
Please let me correct your information in short.

The Sabena closure has nothing to do with the 2001 attacks. The responsibility lies with the two shareholders: the Belgian State and Swissair and successive Belgian governments have failed to capitalize sufficiently Sabena. Moreover, it appears that the political class in the 90s had already mentally taken leave of Sabena.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 10:36
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Originally Posted by MrSnuggles
In Europe we realised that holy wars were obsolete sometime around 1200 AD.
Some people just didn't quite get that message for a few hundred years more.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 12:06
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Thumbs down

Can't believe BRU is still going to be closed up to a week later. I know they have a job to do round the area of the blasts but there are huge areas of the airport unaffected. They need to set up a temporary check in and baggage handling area in an alternative building and bus people to the departure piers - which are well away from the blast zone. Clearly they had no business continuity plan. Unacceptable for an airport of this size.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 16:02
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In Europe we realised that holy wars were obsolete sometime around 1200 AD
Dark humor right? Certainly not fact.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 18:21
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I will post a thread about SABENA on the Nostalgia forum - I am aware of the problems associated with the Belgian government and moving ownership for Group Air France to Swissair (who did fold wings in early 2002).

I just realize a chilling thought: after 2001 attacks tend to come "in lots" while previously they tend to be single action. Four aircraft in 2001, two attacks in London back in 2005, four attacks in Paris, and now two attacks (three explosions) in Brussels.
I don't know how to analyze it but I am concerned that things can turn nasty very fast in a very wide area.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 12:20
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If some provincial media are not lying, then looks like the airport and metro were part of "plan B" for those jihadists, and initially they were thinking of the nuclear power plant(s):


Un agent de sécurité dans le nucléaire tué à Charleroi: son badge d'accès a été volé ! - DH.be
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 13:51
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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
If some provincial media are not lying, then looks like the airport and metro were part of "plan B" for those jihadists, and initially they were thinking of the nuclear power plant(s):


Un agent de sécurité dans le nucléaire tué à Charleroi: son badge d'accès a été volé ! - DH.be

"The Evening" (Le Soir) newspaper says the badge was not stolen.
http://www.lesoir.be/1163392/article...riste-dementie

Last edited by Rwy in Sight; 26th Mar 2016 at 13:53. Reason: Adding a link from "Le Soir" paper.
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