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Old 30th Jan 2016, 12:16
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Does it have PEPSI on the side?
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
Let's not turn this into the usual A v B fight ladies & gentlemen
without wishing to stir this pot, I do think (with this 'new' 737) we are starting to see the balance of power shift to AB, Boeing seem to be on the back foot now in every segment, their only real 'new' plane is the 787, and in the meantime, AB have not been so timid with the A380, A350, 320neo and now the 330neo.
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 12:49
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A good reliable income producing airframe for Boeing.

Same crappy cockpit with the eh same crappy seats with the 787 displays. Gee wiz.
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 17:17
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The split winglet is available on current 737 - or at least the 800.

Southwest in the states were the first to get them. Quite a few Thomson 737-8 aircraft have them in the UK
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 17:41
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Both aircraft will be better than their predecessors
Better, but only just. The undeniable fact is that A320 is 20 years younger in its roots than B737. You can put new wing, engine, winglets, LED cabin lighting, etc., but it will still be good old B737 with almost zero respect for pilot comfort: manual switching (fuel, hyd, elec, pitot heat, you name it) pressurization panel design that might kill you one day, non-reduntant six-pack announciator that is a no-go item and doesn't give you ANY warning if the master caution button stucks in the pressed position, etc.

Sure, it's a nice aircraft to fly, but not for the ranges it's being able now thanks to the lower and lower fuel consumption. I don't envy guys flying BBJ, not even a bit.
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Old 30th Jan 2016, 18:29
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split scimitar differs from MAX winglet

The split scimitar second generation winglet which has recently been appearing as retrofits on Boeing NG 737s (especially Southwest and United -800 models) differs appreciably from the split winglet on the 737 MAX.

The angles are not the same, precluding detailed comparison, but you can still tell these are not the same
MAX split winglet:

Split scimitar now available for 737-700, 800, 900, and BBJ
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Old 31st Jan 2016, 00:04
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic View Post
Does anyone know if the new Max8 will have slower landing speed than the current -800? The latter lands very fast especially at Flap 30 - 148kts typically.
Boeing currently projects Vref of 149 kts, Flaps 30 at MLGW.
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Old 31st Jan 2016, 01:05
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser View Post
Boeing currently projects Vref of 149 kts, Flaps 30 at MLGW.
Wonder what the speed is at typical landing gross weights.
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Old 31st Jan 2016, 04:25
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I actually prefer the higher vref speeds, never flown the 737 but the higher approach speeds on the 757-300 and 767-400 made for a more stable
aircraft in gusty winds that went where you put it.


A light 757-200 handles like a kite in strong winds at those much lower approach speeds, it gets blown all over the place, flaps 25 helped a lot though
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Old 31st Jan 2016, 05:47
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Wish Boeing would retro the 727, ahh now that would be the dream machine. It would solve the ETOPS issues!
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Old 1st Feb 2016, 18:56
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Stilton: I have flown both 737/738 and 752/753 and found the 757s to be more stable in gusty winds at normal landing weights despite having lower speeds than the 737, except a light 752 like you mention. Agreed on the flaps 25, always works like a charm
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Old 1st Feb 2016, 19:43
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McDonnell's business model ended Douglas Aircraft Corp just as surely as it will bring down Boeing's commercial passenger aircraft division.

Technically, Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas. But, as Richard Aboulafia, a noted industry analyst with the Teal Group, told me, "McDonnell Douglas in effect acquired Boeing with Boeing's money." McDonnell Douglas executives became key players in the new company, and the McDonnell Douglas culture, averse to risk and obsessed with cost-cutting, weakened Boeing's historical commitment to making big investments in new products. Aboulafia says, "After the merger, there was a real battle over the future of the company, between the engineers and the finance and sales guys." The nerds may have been running the show in Silicon Valley, but at Boeing they were increasingly marginalized by the bean counters.
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Old 1st Feb 2016, 20:28
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Same crappy cockpit with the eh same crappy seats with the 787 displays. Gee wiz.
I'll second that. Considering we spend up to 14 hours sitting down, why do Boeing provide the worst seats in any industry? I have no problem with car seats or office seats, but the Boeing is like sitting on a park bench all day. Actually, I would prefer it if they dump the 100k seat, and fit a 5 deck-chair instead. It would be a darn sight more comfortable.

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Old 1st Feb 2016, 23:11
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Interesting SR22, thanks for that, makes sense, bigger, heavier aircraft always seem to fly better.


I had flown the 757 for years before we started recommending F25 in gusty winds, quite a difference in handling, makes life a lot easier and I started using it all the time, except for very short runways, another benefit is it seemed to help alleviate that 'dead spot in pitch' as you lower the nose and sometimes loose elevator effectiveness.


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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 14:56
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Well, there's no getting around it - It IS AB v Boeing...

Its a rehash of an old plane, looks old too. - I could put shorts on, but I still wouldn't look 21 again. But if they get the price right.. Who knows.
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 02:50
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If the A320Neo can sort out the engines and they don't have a host of tech issues then I think the Max is going to get hurt as it is just lipstick on a pig.

However if the Neo starts having problems then the Max will be lauded as great new aeroplane and will still be flying around in 2030+ with no EICAS/No fly by wire/manual everything.

Meanwhile people will still be writing articles about autonomous aircraft being just around the corner
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 09:45
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It kind of reminds me of the Checker cab...
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 10:10
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...Lipstick on a pig. What a metaphor! Brilliant.

My wish is one day they'll put a flippin' carpet in the flight deck. That's all, just a bit of sound deadening and felt on the floor. Is it too much to ask?
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 10:36
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Fox news...

Looking at the first post, I thought this to be rubbish, there was no maiden flight of the aircraft in question. Then I saw it covered by some real news agencies, not only FOX...
But on more serious notes, even though this aircraft isn't exactly new it's probably a potential moneymaker. I say, well done Boeing, congratulations for being able to market this 60 year old design as new.
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Old 3rd Feb 2016, 15:06
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The 737MAX already has more than 3000 orders totaling $200 billion+ at list, and it's just getting started.

The A320neo caught Boeing off-guard, but barring a major unforeseen issue the 737MAX will be a big moneymaker for Boeing until the all-new 737 comes out in 2030.
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