Money bags
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"However counsel for Ryanair Ross Aylward told the tribunal the bags represented a routine delivery of cash from Ryanair bases across its network."
Interesting.... maybe even very interesting...?
Interesting.... maybe even very interesting...?
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There was never accompanying documentation given to the pilots. The cabin crew would bring the full bag from the crew room, and maybe they had documents, but I never saw any, and I never saw a sign over of responsibility to the receiving ground crew in Dublin either. There was also no NOTOC covering the weekly transfer of flight documents to DUB, although it was clear what was in the bag. Then again, this is the airline that positions crew on days off with no tickets...
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I'm guessing it was a large sum and so if it is above £10,000 or whatever the declaration limits are, who does it belong to and does it need to be declared to customs on arrival in Dublin?
Mr Aylward said carrying the money to Dublin or Stansted was standard company practice, the bags did carry documentation he said, and he told the tribunal Mr Christensen had carried such bags in the past
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Couldn't make this stuff up, eh ? And why would a hugely successful company want to shift money around, in bags, in cash ? Hollywood is going to love these ingredients. Could I play the film role of an ageing Ryanair pilot, on his last flight, taking the REALLY big bag straight from plane to my Lexus in the car-park? Pleeeze, I have the looks and acting ability !
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The cash is from on board sales. At the end of the day the base supervisor bags all the cash up from the based aircraft and the next day it is sent to DUB or STN to be counted and banked.
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It would be astonishing if the money from each aircraft were not counted and documented before being bagged; the sales receipts would have to reflect to difference in stocks on board, which could and probably would be audited. Otherwise cabin staff, and/or base staff, would be wide open to accusations of theft, either of goods or of cash, or both. It's basic accounting, and whatever one might think of Ryanair, I don't believe a word of the "undocumented" story..
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No-one has mentioned if there is a paper trail of delivery/handover etc. Surely each person would want a back-side covering signature from the recipient at each stage. People seems to suggest that oodles of dosh are just floating around the network without any trace of time or place. Can this be true?
It would seem that, if this package was just dumped in the cockpit, who's to say later it ever was. Nice pay rise if you can get it. Word against word. Was there a security clearance with the package. If there was no paper-work, alleged' and customs boarded, who's is the cash? Max €10,000 across borders and UK - Eire is across borders. Why is it not banked locally and then an internet inter-bank transfer made? Is that not the modern way to do this? Are they really telling us the there are 69 packets of dosh travelling unidentified every day into DUB. How archaic!
But, if the captain refused this for safety reasons, and he was then effectively fined 6 months Capt-F/O pay that is a huge penalty for a trivial offence. Is this the true face of a new cuddly RYR?
It would seem that, if this package was just dumped in the cockpit, who's to say later it ever was. Nice pay rise if you can get it. Word against word. Was there a security clearance with the package. If there was no paper-work, alleged' and customs boarded, who's is the cash? Max €10,000 across borders and UK - Eire is across borders. Why is it not banked locally and then an internet inter-bank transfer made? Is that not the modern way to do this? Are they really telling us the there are 69 packets of dosh travelling unidentified every day into DUB. How archaic!
But, if the captain refused this for safety reasons, and he was then effectively fined 6 months Capt-F/O pay that is a huge penalty for a trivial offence. Is this the true face of a new cuddly RYR?
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The real question is not if it was supplied with accompanying documents or not but that what really happened is that you were basically shown a bag of money with a couple of A4 sheets in it and it was thrown on the floor behind you in the cockpit. No Gen Dec, no NOTOC or other supporting documentation. Or in other cases the bag had already been sealed and although you could be 99% sure what it was, it could have had anything inside. No mention of these money bags in any Ryanair Operating Manual, no procedures written anywhere
It is company material, why such fuss? Gen dec? notoc? What is next, calling police to check if there are counterfeit banknotes included?
Do Ryanair captains also personally check all duty free items, lavatory paper and crew luggage?
Total overreaction in my opinion.
Do Ryanair captains also personally check all duty free items, lavatory paper and crew luggage?
Total overreaction in my opinion.
If my memory serves me correctly these bags were put in the hold until (you've guessed it!) a few years ago after a flight they were mysteriously missing when the hold was opened never to be seen again.
Hence the requirement for them to travel on the flight deck.
Hence the requirement for them to travel on the flight deck.
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No Gen Dec, no NOTOC or other supporting documentation. Or in other cases the bag had already been sealed and although you could be 99% sure what it was, it could have had anything inside.
I offloaded a mystery bag placed with the crew luggage just before departure a few years ago. It didn't have a crew tag, looked like pax luggage and the name didn't match anyone onboard. Turns out it belonged to a deadheading crewmember, the name was that of his wife's sister and he was quite indignant that I didn't figure it all out in the post-911 security environment. After he pitched a fit, I was sorely tempted to take the bag and offload him.
Back during the Cold War I used to see Russian couriers on the LGA-DCA sector of the Air Shuttle. They would book two seats in first class on the 727. The courier would sit in one and a large white canvas diplomatic duffel would be strapped in the next seat. I'm sure there was a good paper trail on that one.
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If my memory serves me correctly these bags were put in the hold until (you've guessed it!) a few years ago after a flight they were mysteriously missing when the hold was opened never to be seen again.
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Why is it not banked locally and then an internet inter-bank transfer made? Is that not the modern way to do this?