AC88 diverted after turbulence
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AC88 diverted after turbulence
FlightAware shows they started jinking around after passing Anchorage (looking for better ride?). Then the diversion.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA88
It's a mountainous area from PANC into the Yukon.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA88
It's a mountainous area from PANC into the Yukon.
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I would bet that since there were no reported crew injuries, the command had been issued to buckle up and since it was AC I know the instructions would have been delivered by the FAs in multi languages. I see that AC has clapped on an extra section (AC2088._ to move the rest of the passengers tonight to their YYZ destination. Just another advantage of flying on a Major Carrier rather than a discounter!
Calgary Int'l (CYYC)
Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ)
08:10PM MST
01:22AM EST (+1)
Scheduled:
08:00PM MST
Scheduled:
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Duration: 3 hours 12 minutes
Wednesday, 30 December 2015
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Boeing 777-300ER (twin-jet) (B77W – photos)
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Filed: 479 kts (graph)
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Filed: 35,000 feet (graph)
Distance
Direct: 2,692 km Planned: 2,716 km
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Calgary Int'l (CYYC)
Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ)
08:10PM MST
01:22AM EST (+1)
Scheduled:
08:00PM MST
Scheduled:
01:12AM EST (+1)
Duration: 3 hours 12 minutes
Wednesday, 30 December 2015
Status
Scheduled (in 1 hours 33 minutes)
Aircraft
Boeing 777-300ER (twin-jet) (B77W – photos)
Speed
Filed: 479 kts (graph)
Altitude
Filed: 35,000 feet (graph)
Distance
Direct: 2,692 km Planned: 2,716 km
Route
LOMLO Q979 TULOV Q961 DAPOP VBI J500 YQT OTNIK BOXUM2
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Originally Posted by Sydney Morning Herald
More than 20 passengers have been taken to hospital after severe turbulence forced an Air Canada flight to divert to Calgary.
Called the "flight from hell" by one shaken passenger, Flight AC088 from Shanghai to Toronto made an unscheduled landing at about 3.30pm on Tuesday (local time) after violent turbulence sent passengers flying out of their seats.
A sudden and violent drop sent some passengers flying out of their seats and down the aisle, slamming into walls and the overhead baggage compartments
Passenger Bing Feng said people were screaming and praying as the oxygen masks fell from above their heads.
Emergency services assessed 25 passengers on the ground at Calgary Airport, most for neck and back injuries, transporting 21 people to hospital, including three children.
Several passengers were wheeled through the airport terminal on stretchers and loaded into 15 waiting ambulances.
None of the injuries were life threatening, however seven passengers suffered injuries deemed serious, according to an emergency services spokesman, Stuart Brideaux
Passenger Connie Gelber said the girl sitting beside her was thrown "right out of her seat down the aisle".
"It was frightening … Honestly, we didn't know if we were going to live or die," Ms Gelber told news site Windsor Star, dubbing the ordeal the "flight from hell".
Fellow passenger Liu Pinzhou also recounted seeing passengers "fly" through the cabin when the turbulence hit.
"It was crazy," he said.
21 Air Canada passengers injured by strong turbulence https://t.co/3HVij0Lu1D pic.twitter.com/vWkXDc2eqB"
— syed zabiullah (@syed2000) December 31, 2015
Rui Jhao disembarked with a bruised and bleeding forehead.
"I flew out and hit the wall, so I got damaged," he said.
An 11-year-old girl was treated for back pain from Calgary South Health Campus after she was bucked from her seat.
He father Chang Wang said she was asleep and was not wearing her seatbelt when the turbulence hit.
"She has some bruising, but I think she is going to be OK," Mr Wang said.
Another 11-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were also taken to hospital with suspected injuries.
Confirming AC088 Shanghai-Toronto, encountered turbulence en route, diverted Calgary, landed 15:23 MT. We are taking care of passengers. 1/2
— Air Canada (@AirCanada) December 30, 2015
A preliminary count suggested the plane as carrying 332 passengers and 19 crew, Air Canada advised.
Passenger Gord Murray said the cabin crew were very professional throughout, and the pilot had made an earlier announcement warning everyone to brace for turbulence.
Canada's Transportation Safety Board sent two investigators to the Calgary airport.
It is understood the turbulence was encountered over Alaska.
The investigators will request the aircraft's black box and will interview Air Canada employees, said spokeswoman Julie Leroux.
"They will see if they can gather enough evidence to understand what happened," she said.
Called the "flight from hell" by one shaken passenger, Flight AC088 from Shanghai to Toronto made an unscheduled landing at about 3.30pm on Tuesday (local time) after violent turbulence sent passengers flying out of their seats.
A sudden and violent drop sent some passengers flying out of their seats and down the aisle, slamming into walls and the overhead baggage compartments
Passenger Bing Feng said people were screaming and praying as the oxygen masks fell from above their heads.
Emergency services assessed 25 passengers on the ground at Calgary Airport, most for neck and back injuries, transporting 21 people to hospital, including three children.
Several passengers were wheeled through the airport terminal on stretchers and loaded into 15 waiting ambulances.
None of the injuries were life threatening, however seven passengers suffered injuries deemed serious, according to an emergency services spokesman, Stuart Brideaux
Passenger Connie Gelber said the girl sitting beside her was thrown "right out of her seat down the aisle".
"It was frightening … Honestly, we didn't know if we were going to live or die," Ms Gelber told news site Windsor Star, dubbing the ordeal the "flight from hell".
Fellow passenger Liu Pinzhou also recounted seeing passengers "fly" through the cabin when the turbulence hit.
"It was crazy," he said.
21 Air Canada passengers injured by strong turbulence https://t.co/3HVij0Lu1D pic.twitter.com/vWkXDc2eqB"
— syed zabiullah (@syed2000) December 31, 2015
Rui Jhao disembarked with a bruised and bleeding forehead.
"I flew out and hit the wall, so I got damaged," he said.
An 11-year-old girl was treated for back pain from Calgary South Health Campus after she was bucked from her seat.
He father Chang Wang said she was asleep and was not wearing her seatbelt when the turbulence hit.
"She has some bruising, but I think she is going to be OK," Mr Wang said.
Another 11-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were also taken to hospital with suspected injuries.
Confirming AC088 Shanghai-Toronto, encountered turbulence en route, diverted Calgary, landed 15:23 MT. We are taking care of passengers. 1/2
— Air Canada (@AirCanada) December 30, 2015
A preliminary count suggested the plane as carrying 332 passengers and 19 crew, Air Canada advised.
Passenger Gord Murray said the cabin crew were very professional throughout, and the pilot had made an earlier announcement warning everyone to brace for turbulence.
Canada's Transportation Safety Board sent two investigators to the Calgary airport.
It is understood the turbulence was encountered over Alaska.
The investigators will request the aircraft's black box and will interview Air Canada employees, said spokeswoman Julie Leroux.
"They will see if they can gather enough evidence to understand what happened," she said.
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Buckle up
When are chinese going to learn how to listen to the announcements and when it is time to buckle up, you 
buckle up!!!!! Every time I fly from or to China in any airlines, chinese are the most unruly rude noisy and the first to ruch to the door when the plane lands...
buckle up!!!!! Every time I fly from or to China in any airlines, chinese are the most unruly rude noisy and the first to ruch to the door when the plane lands...
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I don't think it will be Wang that's prosecuted.
So many people have no idea about simple Newtonian physics. They have to have it spelled out and then enforced. Sleeping people should have the belt on the outside of the blanket.
I even had a loader saying some iron ballast didn't need a net - because it was heavy.
So many people have no idea about simple Newtonian physics. They have to have it spelled out and then enforced. Sleeping people should have the belt on the outside of the blanket.
I even had a loader saying some iron ballast didn't need a net - because it was heavy.
There's a lot of it about...
"I even had a loader saying some iron ballast didn't need a net - because it was heavy."
I even heard that a couple of pilots for major carriers heard stall warnings and pulled the nose up.
There's a lot of it about...
I even heard that a couple of pilots for major carriers heard stall warnings and pulled the nose up.
There's a lot of it about...
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My first reaction when I read this is that I have personally witnessed, on numerous occasions, that a large majority of Chinese passengers consistently fail to obey instructions and regulations when travelling. So, it does not surprise me in the least.
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AC88 turbulence accident
For some folk living quiet, desperate lives, the only rebellion they will ever do is to not wear a seat belt.
I disagree with you. I've spent many years flying to and from, and within Southeast Asia. I think it is more of a cultural thing, combined with a fatalistic attitude. It is only recently that I have managed to persuade some of my Vietnamese friends to use car seatbelts.
In my experience, AC is one of the best airlines when it comes to checking seatbelts, after the sign is switched on. I feel sorry for the Air Canada crew - it must be very difficult dealing with passengers who don't understand why seat belts are so important.
On a side note, the flight number was obviously picked because of its lucky connotations in China. I wonder if they will have to change it now?
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Tai Chi, Confucianism and Feng Shui all seem meaningless when you witness the cabin behavior and queue etiquette.
Time for a tech solution? Seat-belt unfastened warning light and chime? Nah...just another thing that adds weight and requires maintenance.
Time for a tech solution? Seat-belt unfastened warning light and chime? Nah...just another thing that adds weight and requires maintenance.
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Tai Chi, Confucianism and Feng Shui all seem meaningless when you witness the cabin behavior and queue etiquette.
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It is most decidedly a thing with Mainland Chinese - and the closer you get to Mainland China, the worse. Vietnam being an example. Indians are also very bad about this as are Russians. The perception among some is that it is a developing country issue or a racial issue or a lack of education issue, but this misses the real issue, which is societies in which people are encouraged to break rules as a matter of course to gain advantage.
Sure, you will see people blithely unbuckling seatbelts all over the planet - from the US to Thailand to Australia to the UK and beyond. What you will not see is every single person from a single culture proudly flaunting every single rule they can find - from carryons to seatbelts to window shades up to using phones and so on. The Mainland Chinese in particular take pride is showing to others that they were the first to flaunt a rule and they are loathed throughout Asia for their behavior.
Sure, you will see people blithely unbuckling seatbelts all over the planet - from the US to Thailand to Australia to the UK and beyond. What you will not see is every single person from a single culture proudly flaunting every single rule they can find - from carryons to seatbelts to window shades up to using phones and so on. The Mainland Chinese in particular take pride is showing to others that they were the first to flaunt a rule and they are loathed throughout Asia for their behavior.
I have dealt on a professional (property) basis with Chinese from Hong Kong and Mainland, in the UK. You could always trust a Hong Kong guy to pay your bill, and would not disappear without paying rent. The Mainland guys (and gals) ignore you, ride roughshod over any agreement, are always late in paying bills/rent and are generally much harder to deal with. They have no understanding of loyalty, of apology or simple business etiquette.
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India 42 said "In my experience, AC is one of the best airlines when it comes to checking seatbelts, after the sign is switched on. I feel sorry for the Air Canada crew - it must be very difficult dealing with passengers who don't understand why seat belts are so important."
Unfortunately in my limited experience AC are NOT very good at checking seatbelts. I've flown several times with them, most recently LHR-YVR and back. The return flight was after the AC88 incident but that hasn't seemed to changed their procedures. I'd roughly guess that the seat-belt sign went on about 7 times on those last flights and only 2 generated a cabin announcement. Rest of the time crew seemed oblivious to the fact and there were people strolling around to washrooms which were not locked. I've noted this on previous flights as well.
So, probably not just a cultural thing. BA aren't any better
Unfortunately in my limited experience AC are NOT very good at checking seatbelts. I've flown several times with them, most recently LHR-YVR and back. The return flight was after the AC88 incident but that hasn't seemed to changed their procedures. I'd roughly guess that the seat-belt sign went on about 7 times on those last flights and only 2 generated a cabin announcement. Rest of the time crew seemed oblivious to the fact and there were people strolling around to washrooms which were not locked. I've noted this on previous flights as well.
So, probably not just a cultural thing. BA aren't any better