Indonesian E195 out of RWY
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"To prevent runway overruns, build runways on an incline. Landing uphill will slow down a landing plane right quick, no more runway overruns."
By golly! Why didn't I think of that?
By golly! Why didn't I think of that?
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perhaps a simpler solution would be better training!
The countries infrastructure, as it is, is unsuitable for its landscape. Thats not going to change. Their mentality is not going to change. Nothing is going to change. How many overruns now? Thats OK, govt deflects the problem onto the operator.
Why are these guys Cat 1?.....Oh, a 60 jet order is in the offing.
Until the rest of the world keeps letting these guys off the hook we are as much to blame. They have geostrategic political leverage hence nothing will get done.
How about this solution:
CAPTAIN:
Well there's lightning over the field, heavy rain showers, a 15kt tailwind and a short runway but hell I'm going to land, bugger holding.
FO:
Yes Captain, absolutely Captain, everything you say is correct Captain
NEWLY HIRED EXPAT CHECK PILOT SITTING ON THE JUMPSEAT OBSERVING:
FFS GO Around! And when we land your being pulled off line for retraining, if you do it again it's a demotion. And we'll be letting your peers know about it too! And for yourself young lad, grow some balls and tell these idiots to go around. Now that we've take over the management of the airline you won't be punished for speaking up.
CAPTAIN:
Well there's lightning over the field, heavy rain showers, a 15kt tailwind and a short runway but hell I'm going to land, bugger holding.
FO:
Yes Captain, absolutely Captain, everything you say is correct Captain
NEWLY HIRED EXPAT CHECK PILOT SITTING ON THE JUMPSEAT OBSERVING:
FFS GO Around! And when we land your being pulled off line for retraining, if you do it again it's a demotion. And we'll be letting your peers know about it too! And for yourself young lad, grow some balls and tell these idiots to go around. Now that we've take over the management of the airline you won't be punished for speaking up.
I was going to cut them some slack for sending their nav bags down the slide but will they be needing them again?
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Just as an extra bit of info, as Devil's advocate I have actually flown into Kupang. The last time being in July this year.
The VOR approaches to both runways leave you high and quite close and not particularly well aligned. Plus the state of the runway is questionable - I don't think the rubber has ever been removed from the surface and it is ungrooved and uneven. When in rains - it really rains! I haven't seen weather like it. With these added factors - it does make it a bit of a pig from time to time.
Don't get me wrong - the aviation industry in Indonesia is in a terrible state - I personally saw many things I would never wish to see again in aviation.
Obviously the crew shld have gone around - but TII (This is Indonesia!)
Earlier this year a new VOR was positioned about 0.5 NM from the threshold yet no new approach charts were published (Jeppesen didn't actually update any charts for months after). Our charts arrived from the tower on a badly printed copy of a copy. It just happened to be one of the worst days of weather on that day too - Tower were asking airlines if they had the new charts, which they blatantly didn't! They didn't even have the names of the intersections! Yet aircraft after aircraft were firing approaches.
As dangerous as it was flying there - it was great fun! The majority of the locals are sincere, genuine people and I can highly recommend it. Unfortunately the country is shooting itself in the foot and self-destructing - not just in aviation, but palm oil, minerals - you name it! This could be one of the most incredible places on Earth, but it's too corrupt and will never change!
The VOR approaches to both runways leave you high and quite close and not particularly well aligned. Plus the state of the runway is questionable - I don't think the rubber has ever been removed from the surface and it is ungrooved and uneven. When in rains - it really rains! I haven't seen weather like it. With these added factors - it does make it a bit of a pig from time to time.
Don't get me wrong - the aviation industry in Indonesia is in a terrible state - I personally saw many things I would never wish to see again in aviation.
Obviously the crew shld have gone around - but TII (This is Indonesia!)
Earlier this year a new VOR was positioned about 0.5 NM from the threshold yet no new approach charts were published (Jeppesen didn't actually update any charts for months after). Our charts arrived from the tower on a badly printed copy of a copy. It just happened to be one of the worst days of weather on that day too - Tower were asking airlines if they had the new charts, which they blatantly didn't! They didn't even have the names of the intersections! Yet aircraft after aircraft were firing approaches.
As dangerous as it was flying there - it was great fun! The majority of the locals are sincere, genuine people and I can highly recommend it. Unfortunately the country is shooting itself in the foot and self-destructing - not just in aviation, but palm oil, minerals - you name it! This could be one of the most incredible places on Earth, but it's too corrupt and will never change!
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"They have geostrategic political leverage hence nothing will get done"
Actually they have little political leverage with anyone but they do have a bloody big country which is all islands so to get around they HAVE to use aircraft . The bill for upgrading every airport instantly would be mind boggling - imagine the USA if the interstate road network disapeard - you'd HAVE to fly everywhere
And if you think going by air is risky in Indonesia just don't even Google PELNI - the state shipping line - if you want to sleep at nights.....
Actually they have little political leverage with anyone but they do have a bloody big country which is all islands so to get around they HAVE to use aircraft . The bill for upgrading every airport instantly would be mind boggling - imagine the USA if the interstate road network disapeard - you'd HAVE to fly everywhere
And if you think going by air is risky in Indonesia just don't even Google PELNI - the state shipping line - if you want to sleep at nights.....
