Turkish F16 shoots down unidentified aircraft in their airspace.
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The downed fighter jet was warned 10 times in 5 minutes according to a statement released by the Turkish Armed Forces
One presumes in English, as that is likely to be the only common language. But in my experience the Turkish military English is as bad as Russian military English. In which case, there is ample room for confusion, especially when a military pilot is very busy planning an active sortie.
If the Turks are so jumpy that they cannot realise the potential problems, and observe rather than engage, then they are not very clever. Did they really think this aircraft was about to attack Antakya? Frankly, the initial analysis suggests that trigger-happy Turks have (predictably) precipitated an unesessary international incident.
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If the plane crashed at Latakia, then it is nearly 40km inside Syria, which would tend to cast doubt on claims it was violating Turkish airspace.
It's probably close enough to the border that we can't tell from the crash location which airspace it was in when it got hit.
Meanwhile, Russian media actively discussing the possibility of the plane coming down from a MANPAD while Turkey has been saying it did it all along
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Or B. The Russians finally managed to exhaust the Turks patience for repeated incursions by a known bully who has a habit of messing around inside other people's countries whilst issuing denials......
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I am not suggesting anything. I would just assume both sides of this situation will probably know what happened. As both parties will probably have air picture recordings that i will assume at least one of them will release to the media.
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Here it is: https://goo.gl/maps/QipzQZVymNk
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Turkey Supports Turkmen in Syria
Whichever side of the border it was on, last week Turkey protested to Russia about their targeting of Turkmen (ethnic Turks in Syria).
One way of interpreting this is that Turkey is telling Russia "Hands off the Turkmen".
One way of interpreting this is that Turkey is telling Russia "Hands off the Turkmen".
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The downed fighter jet was warned 10 times in 5 minutes according to a statement released by the Turkish Armed Forces
In what language?
One presumes in English, as that is likely to be the only common language. But in my experience the Turkish military English is as bad as Russian military English. In which case, there is ample room for confusion, especially when a military pilot is very busy planning an active sortie.
The downed fighter jet was warned 10 times in 5 minutes according to a statement released by the Turkish Armed Forces
In what language?
One presumes in English, as that is likely to be the only common language. But in my experience the Turkish military English is as bad as Russian military English. In which case, there is ample room for confusion, especially when a military pilot is very busy planning an active sortie.
I've also made a number of non-combat intercepts of Russian bombers and not once were they able to make contact with me (and vice versa), although they were able to hold up the latest issue of Playboy magazine for my viewing pleasure.
The press may assume the Turkish warning was received and ignored, but we pilots, especially those with combat experience, should be more prudent and not jump to conclusions.
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Syrian rebels release a video of a dead Russian pilot
From LiveLeak:
Syrian rebels release a video of a dead Russian pilot, video is on LiveLeak.
First time a NATO member has downed a Russian or Soviet military aircraft since the 1950s: this could turn really nasty indeed. Past major wars and conflicts (including World Wars) have often been triggered by similar accidents.
From below: "My personal opinion is that Putin will mostly take this one on the chin, and not react in a way likely to escalate a confrontation with the forces of NATO countries." The entire planet is hoping for the same.
Let's hope pilots are still both alive and video is not genuine (unfortunately video looks real).
Syrian rebels release a video of a dead Russian pilot, video is on LiveLeak.
First time a NATO member has downed a Russian or Soviet military aircraft since the 1950s: this could turn really nasty indeed. Past major wars and conflicts (including World Wars) have often been triggered by similar accidents.
From below: "My personal opinion is that Putin will mostly take this one on the chin, and not react in a way likely to escalate a confrontation with the forces of NATO countries." The entire planet is hoping for the same.
Let's hope pilots are still both alive and video is not genuine (unfortunately video looks real).
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...but it's still an overflight. Twice by the look of it.
(could one imagine the opposite scenario where a NATO mission is doing bombing raids a few miles from the Russian border and "accidentally" crossing into Russia's airspace for a few moments every now and then? Russia would never in a million years accept what it is doing to Turkey now)
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I'm sure Turkey wont be happy if Russia puts a ban on Turkish holidays. Would certainly hurt the tourist industry. Interested in Putins response !
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It was suggested earlier the reason for this may not be the minor incursion of their airspace but the fact that russia is bombing the turkmens.
How ever Turkey has been bombing the most successful on th ground anti ISIS fighters namely the kurds. Going to be "interesting" next time Turkey invades syrian airspace to bomb the kurds.
How ever Turkey has been bombing the most successful on th ground anti ISIS fighters namely the kurds. Going to be "interesting" next time Turkey invades syrian airspace to bomb the kurds.
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Treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention? Not a chance. Not with those nutters.
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Originally Posted by http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/571040-turkish-f16-shoots-down-unidentified-aircraft-their-airspace-2.html#post9190131
If you google maps Yamadi, Latakia (the closest thing to the site apparently) it's right on the border with Turkey. Turkey's border is anything but a straight line down there though.
It's probably close enough to the border that we can't tell from the crash location which airspace it was in when it got hit.
Meanwhile, Russian media actively discussing the possibility of the plane coming down from a MANPAD while Turkey has been saying it did it all along
In political terms though, the truth is less important than the ability of the various participants to dictate the narrative.
My personal opinion is that Putin will mostly take this one on the chin, and not react in a way likely to escalate a confrontation with the forces of NATO countries.
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Pilots with combat experience can perhaps enlighten?
How does a pilot stay inside friendly airspace when conducting a combat mission near such a convoluted border with only a few seconds margin of error?
Is the navigation instrumentation capable of showing a finely delineated border accurately? And is it at all feasible to keep within the border?
How does a pilot stay inside friendly airspace when conducting a combat mission near such a convoluted border with only a few seconds margin of error?
Is the navigation instrumentation capable of showing a finely delineated border accurately? And is it at all feasible to keep within the border?