Metrojet crash Eygpt
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Reuters reports from Russia that the russians have confirmed that traces of explosives have been found on the wreckage.
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Breaking on Metrojet, head of Russia’s FSB:
BORTNIKOV: IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICE EQUIVALENT OF UP TO 1.5 KG OF TNT WENT OFF ONBOARD A321
Putin on Metrojet bombers: "We will seek them wherever they are hiding. We will find then at any spot on the planet and punish them."
Putin on Metrojet bombing: Russia's operation in Syria must be intensified “so that the criminals understand that vengeance is inevitable”.
Taken from the Times Moscow correspondent https://twitter.com/parfitt_tom
BORTNIKOV: IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICE EQUIVALENT OF UP TO 1.5 KG OF TNT WENT OFF ONBOARD A321
Putin on Metrojet bombers: "We will seek them wherever they are hiding. We will find then at any spot on the planet and punish them."
Putin on Metrojet bombing: Russia's operation in Syria must be intensified “so that the criminals understand that vengeance is inevitable”.
Taken from the Times Moscow correspondent https://twitter.com/parfitt_tom
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TATP. You need mass spectrometry.
I don't pretend to now how it works, but it's a lot more complicated than training a dog.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_spectrometry
I don't pretend to now how it works, but it's a lot more complicated than training a dog.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_spectrometry
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Re: So the other day they said no traces of explosives had been found...?
The two words missing were 'so far'. As I'm sure you realise, not finding evidence in one place does not mean you will not find it in another.
In reality given the state of the engines we saw (ie no evidence of uncontained failure) and the mid-air fireball it could only ever have been a bomb.
In reality given the state of the engines we saw (ie no evidence of uncontained failure) and the mid-air fireball it could only ever have been a bomb.
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Reuters: Egyptian authorities are holding two Sharm el Sheikh airport employees suspected of aiding those who planted bomb on Russian plane
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/1...13C1PJ20151117
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/1...13C1PJ20151117
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"Sources" again
1) Bomb was planted at the tail section (not luggage)
2) Bomb was planted by airport employee (suspected luggage crew) overnight
3) Suspicious hole was found at tail section and analysis shows traces of explosive
PS $50 mln reward for information which will lead to suspect promised
PPS almost all suggestions of "tail" branch of pprune armchair investigation was right
2) Bomb was planted by airport employee (suspected luggage crew) overnight
3) Suspicious hole was found at tail section and analysis shows traces of explosive
PS $50 mln reward for information which will lead to suspect promised
PPS almost all suggestions of "tail" branch of pprune armchair investigation was right
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Putin's statement this time is a lot milder than his famous statement in 1999 after Chechen terrorists killed 300 Russians.
"“We will chase terrorists everywhere. If in an airport, then in the airport. So if we find them in the toilet, we’ll rub them out in the outhouse. And that’s it, case closed,”"
"“We will chase terrorists everywhere. If in an airport, then in the airport. So if we find them in the toilet, we’ll rub them out in the outhouse. And that’s it, case closed,”"
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1) Bomb was planted at the tail section (not luggage)
2) Bomb was planted by airport employee (suspected luggage crew) overnight
3) Suspicious hole was found at tail section and analysis shows traces of explosive
PS $50 mln reward for information which will lead to suspect promised
PPS almost all suggestions of "tail" branch of pprune armchair investigation was right
2) Bomb was planted by airport employee (suspected luggage crew) overnight
3) Suspicious hole was found at tail section and analysis shows traces of explosive
PS $50 mln reward for information which will lead to suspect promised
PPS almost all suggestions of "tail" branch of pprune armchair investigation was right
PPPS It appears all suggestions of "HS jackscrew failure" branch of pprune armchair investigation was wrong
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PPPS It appears all suggestions of "HS jackscrew failure" branch of PPRuNe armchair investigation was wrong
any further details about the 'suspicious hole' and which part of the tail it was in?
PS: Metrojet rep. make statement at LifeNews "we told you".
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I don't suppose there are any further details about the 'suspicious hole' and which part of the tail it was in?
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Still missing - update 10
Freezing the start-thread gave me time to catch up on videos and photos. From what i have found till now, major sections still missing (on photos in the public domain):
A. Vertical tail box structure,
B. Rudder,
C. Most of the Aft cargo hold/cabin ... Which includes doors, hatches, floorgrid, panels ... So about 10-15 meters.
Non-technical official and press reports can be quite inaccurate. If i therefore take the word "tail" in its widest possible meaning... And take only the most probable options for a bomb location ... I get 5 different locations/spaces. Some of these have upto 5-6 possible points. For a total of at least 15 probable points. With two unexpected ones.
In a number of these points you could roughly match what you see with a relatively small explosion, but in these instances it is then quite difficult to match it with the other 'evidence' like CVR remarks, AP1 still ON, and aft cabin fire respectively.
A. Vertical tail box structure,
B. Rudder,
C. Most of the Aft cargo hold/cabin ... Which includes doors, hatches, floorgrid, panels ... So about 10-15 meters.
Non-technical official and press reports can be quite inaccurate. If i therefore take the word "tail" in its widest possible meaning... And take only the most probable options for a bomb location ... I get 5 different locations/spaces. Some of these have upto 5-6 possible points. For a total of at least 15 probable points. With two unexpected ones.
In a number of these points you could roughly match what you see with a relatively small explosion, but in these instances it is then quite difficult to match it with the other 'evidence' like CVR remarks, AP1 still ON, and aft cabin fire respectively.