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Old 18th Nov 2015, 00:24
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and I'm sure there are plenty of places on the web, for example the dark web, where you could get detailed advice if you looked hard enough.
Never mind the dark web. Anyone more than a little tech savvy and using the rather obvious search terms will find a lot of examples out in the open. In fact, I just did. How to use it with a phone is also quite obvious.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 01:41
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@AreOut

That's the difference between official and unofficial sources.

Unnamed "US intelligence sources" may leak various info to the media -- such as a belief or speculation that a bomb may have brought down the airliner -- but they don't speak for the government.

A spokesman for the U.S. Department of State, however, conveys official U.S. Government positions as a matter of public record.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 02:07
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Well what definitive evidence do we have of explosive residue? And of what type?

If the U.S. Is refusing to accept RUssia's assessment that it was a terrorist act, and Egypt (Ok it's Egypt but still ) states it has found no evidence of criminal action....

Then....do we have any specific details re the explosive residue, exactly where it was found, on what debris parts, what type it is, what was the trigger, and so on?
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 03:09
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Explosion in APU BAY?
Airworthiness directive:
www.caa.si/fileadmin/user_upload/pageuploads/AD-NOTE/AD-2004/007_DGAC_F-2004-019_B_.pdf
Possible scenario:
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e61...z8j5j9u4zg.jpg
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Originally Posted by AreOut
I don't understand... US intel was IIRC first to suggest it was a bomb and now this?

US Department of State spokesperson Eric Toner said the United States has not accepted the Russian governments conclusion that the Metrojet crash in the Sinai Peninsula was a terrorist act and has yet to make its own conclusion.

Read more: US Govt Refuses to Accept Russian Assessment A321 Crash Was Act of Terror
The headline is somewhat contradicted by the body of the article.
Originally Posted by Mark C Toner, Deputy Spokesperson, US State Department
We are aware of those reports that Russia has made Russian Government has made about the cause of the crash of Metrojet flight 9268. In our view, this is an Egyptian-led investigation, and we have not made our own determination about the cause of this incident, nor do I believe has the Egyptian Government. However, we cannot rule out and weve said this before we cannot rule out at this stage, and must consider the possibility that this crash could have been caused by terrorism and by an explosion onboard. And weve said that for a matter of weeks now, but we still have not made a final determination. And again, this is an Egyptian-led investigation into this crash.
Which seems a sensible and measured response, to me.
The text of the briefing is here. Search for "9268" to find the relevant part.

Further brief discussion with US Secretary of State John Kerry here.

I'm not aware of any detailed and substantial account of evidence found by Russia-based investigators.

Maybe time to shut this thread down until there's an interim report ?
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 05:34
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Russian daily Kommersant - - -

Explosive device was planted under pax seat in the rear of the plane by the window.

Investigators found a piece of a/c skin with 1*1 meter hole where sides where bend outward.

Type of explosive unknown.

No other details about who planted it,just speculations about ground personnel in SSH.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 06:41
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US Department of State spokesperson Eric Toner said the United States has not accepted the Russian government’s conclusion that the Metrojet crash in the Sinai Peninsula was a terrorist act and has yet to make its own conclusion.
Who the heck is Sputnik News? And why are they the only ones reporting this? Could it be because it isn't true, as PAX_Britannica has already pointed out? In fact, I cannot find any other reference to an "Eric Toner" connected to the US Department of State, except on this web site. Does he even exist?
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 07:00
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Sputnik News = Russian Government media outlet.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 07:09
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As we still have lack of FDR records, will be quite interesting to look at blueprints for signal cables layout in the rear part of A321.
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Mark in CA: I cannot find any other reference to an "Eric Toner" connected to the US Department of State, except on this web site. Does he even exist?
Apparently he does. Not sure what you're getting at. If you read the briefing it's more of an avoid giving a direct answer type of statement obviously for political reasons.

Toner, Mark C.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2015/11/249625.htm
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 08:24
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Type of explosive unknown.
The article in question states: "Какая именно взрывчатка сработала на борту самолета, пока не уточняется."

It means: which type of explosive detonated onboard is not yet specified.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 08:50
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Haven't 'chemical noses' have been developed to provide extra security for searching aircraft?


Apparently there are some kits aircrew can carry although I don't know just how useful they are or if anyone uses them? In-Flight Explosives Detection Kit | ChemSee
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 09:04
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Would you find any explosive residue on the Aircraft -> No
But on passenger's clothing or baggage? Quite likely.
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This is from the issue 12 of the ISIS magazine.
Also claims that initially a Western airliner was targeted but changed to Russian after they started targeting ISIS
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Guardian report in English
Egypt plane crash: Russian media links bomb to airport staff | World news | The Guardian
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Reading sky9's Guardian link - there's nothing but speculation of the sort that was mooted on PPruNe just after the event.
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Angry Interesting claim from ISIS

ON reuters

Islamic State says 'Schweppes bomb' used to bring down Russian plane | Reuters

Islamic State's official magazine carried a photo on Wednesday of a Schweppes drink it said was used to make an improvised bomb that brought down a Russian airliner over Egypt's Sinai Peninsula last month, killing all 224 people on board.

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Old 18th Nov 2015, 17:07
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Well that is larger than 100ml
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 17:08
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If they had taken an uplift of drinks in Sharm, the crew would have counted all the drinks and should have spotted something like that.

Note to Pontius - there is no 100ml limit on catering supplies, as you might expect.
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Old 18th Nov 2015, 17:18
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Originally Posted by silvertate
If they had taken an uplift of drinks in Sharm, the crew would have counted all the drinks and should have spotted something like that.
Theory/guess, not fact:
Within that upload process a previous ISIS cell's scouting operation may have discovered a gap, vulnerability, or loophole which was then exploited.
Theory/guess, not fact

Basis of my speculation: 20+ years of receiving counterterrorism training.
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