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And that is the thinking SLF's problem. I don't mind forking out a few more quid for a proper Nigel. Question is, am I getting one, or is that Nigel and equivalent backup actually available to me?
You need to get with the times Sir, Nigel is no longer it's now Rupert or Tristram
Sorry I'm late out of the blocks.....slow Yorkshire bloke.
Dear 'Wageslave', please do expand on your apparent dislike for Suckling/Scot Airways?
Sad that in the middle of Loganair's woes (and I am a MASSIVE fan of Loganair, and a pox on their new dodgy Management), you have a deep dig at Suckling?
I've been SLF a good few times with Loganair out to see my son in Stornoway and have always admired the Logan Saab Crews. I've also flown the Suckling 328 as a Captain for a short while and realise how lucky I was to operate with such a good little Company.
After 38 years as a Aviation Twonk, piloting in the Civvy/Military/Airline/Corporate/Helicopter world, I'm happy to say that Suckling are/were a great bunch of people, with a great aircraft and I honestly feel privileged to having worked with them.
I know that the 'marriage' between Loganair & Suckling hasn't been particularly rewarding or happy for both Companies, but please don't 'shotgun' your grumpiness at the DO328 Crews for the present woes?
Presumably Flybe are complete cads for making the Saabs go blue, and Eastern's are blighters for snaffling Saab 2000's contracts??
Dear 'Wageslave', please do expand on your apparent dislike for Suckling/Scot Airways?
Sad that in the middle of Loganair's woes (and I am a MASSIVE fan of Loganair, and a pox on their new dodgy Management), you have a deep dig at Suckling?
I've been SLF a good few times with Loganair out to see my son in Stornoway and have always admired the Logan Saab Crews. I've also flown the Suckling 328 as a Captain for a short while and realise how lucky I was to operate with such a good little Company.
After 38 years as a Aviation Twonk, piloting in the Civvy/Military/Airline/Corporate/Helicopter world, I'm happy to say that Suckling are/were a great bunch of people, with a great aircraft and I honestly feel privileged to having worked with them.
I know that the 'marriage' between Loganair & Suckling hasn't been particularly rewarding or happy for both Companies, but please don't 'shotgun' your grumpiness at the DO328 Crews for the present woes?
Presumably Flybe are complete cads for making the Saabs go blue, and Eastern's are blighters for snaffling Saab 2000's contracts??
ewe.lander, you must have perceptive powers verging on the supernatural if you believe you can judge moods from a written post. You may not be entirely correct though.
Perhaps Suckling had cleaned their act up by the time you got to them, but given your miraculous perceptive powers you would of course know of the operational and maintenance matters which every other ex Suckling pilot I have ever met is all too familiar with, even the least observant ones.
However those perceptive powers have failed you completely in the comprehension of my post (or perhaps it's just failure to read it properly) as I made no mention or reference to the staff at all. Perhaps you would have the courtesy to acknowledge that much of your post which was devoted scorning me for doing the staff down was in fact utterly baseless?
I'd have thought with all that experience you'd know that any systemic failure in a company is down to culture (probably led by a few in positions of influence) rather than the good guys that are dragged along with it. And, as I surmised earlier perhaps this rubbed off in Loganair?
Perhaps Suckling had cleaned their act up by the time you got to them, but given your miraculous perceptive powers you would of course know of the operational and maintenance matters which every other ex Suckling pilot I have ever met is all too familiar with, even the least observant ones.
However those perceptive powers have failed you completely in the comprehension of my post (or perhaps it's just failure to read it properly) as I made no mention or reference to the staff at all. Perhaps you would have the courtesy to acknowledge that much of your post which was devoted scorning me for doing the staff down was in fact utterly baseless?
I'd have thought with all that experience you'd know that any systemic failure in a company is down to culture (probably led by a few in positions of influence) rather than the good guys that are dragged along with it. And, as I surmised earlier perhaps this rubbed off in Loganair?
Last edited by Wageslave; 18th Nov 2015 at 09:40.
Nope I'm not perceptively supernatural Wageslave, and certainly wouldn't want to get into a protracted argument over this. Your post mentions 'poisoned', and alludes to Suckling been a dark place. I accept you didn't actually slag off the 'coal face' but I do think you cannot reasonably blame the recent operational woes of the 340's on a decent bunch of 328 operators, who really didn't want to join the party.
As I said, I have the greatest respect for the Logan Saab Crew, they like the Suckling Crews, are on the whole either new and trying to climb the UK slippery Airline ladder, or like me, old and grateful for the chance to keep paying the Mortgage.
I do accept my 'banter' might have been too barbed, would you accept that that the 'poisoned' word wasn't helpful? Cheers.
As I said, I have the greatest respect for the Logan Saab Crew, they like the Suckling Crews, are on the whole either new and trying to climb the UK slippery Airline ladder, or like me, old and grateful for the chance to keep paying the Mortgage.
I do accept my 'banter' might have been too barbed, would you accept that that the 'poisoned' word wasn't helpful? Cheers.
ewe.lander, as ever a bulletin board is a fertile ground for misreading posts and taking offence at what wasn't written or even implied.
You'll see on re-reading that nowhere did I "blame", I merely surmised by asking a question. I had always understood Loganair to be a good company with a sound reputation so when it starts having systemic problems after taking over a company I know to have a shocking background over a period of decades (though I can't speak for the most recent years) it doesn't seem unreasonable to surmise a connection. I only asked.
And, frankly, if that had happened then I think the word "poisoned" would not be at all inappropriate. If that did not happen then the answer is that the description doesn't apply. Does that help?
You'll see on re-reading that nowhere did I "blame", I merely surmised by asking a question. I had always understood Loganair to be a good company with a sound reputation so when it starts having systemic problems after taking over a company I know to have a shocking background over a period of decades (though I can't speak for the most recent years) it doesn't seem unreasonable to surmise a connection. I only asked.
And, frankly, if that had happened then I think the word "poisoned" would not be at all inappropriate. If that did not happen then the answer is that the description doesn't apply. Does that help?
de minimus non curat lex
For those of you who can recall 2006-7 when Jim Cameron was CEO and SG was in charge.
The Kirwall press decided to focus on Saab serviceability and safety. SG came out defending the Saab. Behind the scenes SG & JC had a " full and frank exchange of views". The upshot of that was that JC decided to move on with a significant golden handshake. Declared in the filed company accounts.
The whole problem was that the engineering dept were short of staff / contractors
The bottom line is that the ginger beers need to be treated well. You need to keep them happy. This is fundamental to any flying outfit. Sound familiar?
Even more important than pilots if you have to be brutally honest ~ light blue touch paper and retire
The Kirwall press decided to focus on Saab serviceability and safety. SG came out defending the Saab. Behind the scenes SG & JC had a " full and frank exchange of views". The upshot of that was that JC decided to move on with a significant golden handshake. Declared in the filed company accounts.
The whole problem was that the engineering dept were short of staff / contractors
The bottom line is that the ginger beers need to be treated well. You need to keep them happy. This is fundamental to any flying outfit. Sound familiar?
Even more important than pilots if you have to be brutally honest ~ light blue touch paper and retire
