Batik Air (Lion Group) off the runway in Jogja
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Batik Air (Lion Group) off the runway in Jogja
Well, it didn't take long for Batik Air (Lion Air's full service airline) to have their first runway overrun. And these guys want to expand their international network to Australia and Europe?
Smoketrails - fair point but in terms of landing performance I imagine it is fairly close to an -800. That said, if you put it down halfway down a wet 7000ft runway 20kts too fast you are going to get more or less the same result. 
Smoke 'em in
You don't need to travel around Indonesia very much to realise that there seems to be an inclination for landings to be a bit on the speedy side.
Combine that with the occasional "wet and long" and now you have mud on your tyres.
I know that it's an extreme example, but think back to GA200 at Jogya in 2007.
Combine that with the occasional "wet and long" and now you have mud on your tyres.
I know that it's an extreme example, but think back to GA200 at Jogya in 2007.
the -900er does like tarmac a little more than the -800 but (high altitude notwithstanding) I don't go through the "short runway" thoughts below 2000m, and 2200m without significant elevation ain't short.
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Can't say that I would have used the slides for that. However, if I were to order their use then it would be to use all of them. That includes the overwing exits and THAT means stowing the speedbrakes. Maybe they've got different procedures there; well, they've had enough practise 
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Practicing a touch and go
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jacdec.de . . . ' aborted landing after touchdown "
Unless landing on an aircraft carrier with a bolter and an afterburner
- suspect that is not practical for a 737 
jacdec.de . . . ' aborted landing after touchdown "
Unless landing on an aircraft carrier with a bolter and an afterburner
- suspect that is not practical for a 737
The result of Garbage training standards.
Lets hope they look after that big new shiny A330 they just got delivered.
Lets hope they look after that big new shiny A330 they just got delivered.
Joking aside what this country needs to do is to extend all runways to 12000ft, re-equip all fleets with standardised short-landing capable aircraft such as the E195, then lay high-intensity touchdown zone LED lighting that is green for the first 3000 ft, then amber for another 3000ft and finally red after 6000ft, with a mandatory go-around if you are not down by the red zone. Then even if the f***wits land inside the red zone there is still a chance to stop.
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The only landing that ever gave me a significant pucker factor was Merparti trying to land a B737 at Yogya in a thunderstorm in '95. Even a wheels up in a float plane at Abu Dhabi a few years ago paled into insignificance.
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Funny how the word "grooved" seems to be missing from a lot of runways in monsoon areas.
I have limited experience with Indonesia, but runways in India are not grooved, and most of them are so uneven the wheels are bouncing on the surface after you touch down. Add a flooded runway to that, and 2200 meters can pass under you very fast.
I have limited experience with Indonesia, but runways in India are not grooved, and most of them are so uneven the wheels are bouncing on the surface after you touch down. Add a flooded runway to that, and 2200 meters can pass under you very fast.
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Most of the issues with these runway overruns in this part of the world are human factors related. Jogja has had two major runway excursions prior to this; one with a Sriwijaya 737-300 in December 2011 and the Garuda GA 200 accident in March 2007 resulting in fatalities.
The GA200 final report is sobering reading. Warnings And alerts going off in the cockpit, a vocal FO but not willing to take over.
http://avherald.com/h?article=3f0bff36/0041&opt=0
http://avherald.com/h?article=447f70f9
The GA200 final report is sobering reading. Warnings And alerts going off in the cockpit, a vocal FO but not willing to take over.
http://avherald.com/h?article=3f0bff36/0041&opt=0
http://avherald.com/h?article=447f70f9
