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BREAKING NEWS: airliner missing within Egyptian FIR

Old 4th Nov 2015, 21:52
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@DozyWannabe,

The ULB Pinger(s) were never located, nor were heard during the AF447 search. That is, both the DFDR & CVR were found minus their pinger.
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 21:52
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What would happen with an A321 upon a jackscrew failure? Will the HS make a very large rotation or will it be stopped at a limiting angle before forces can get to the point of HS dislocation (hinge failure) or destruction? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JD7FmX0hr6c#t=1850
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 21:58
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Its placement would have to be quite close to the tail, based on the scarcity of additional debris found near the tailplane wreckage, and a pretty powerful one at that, given that the tail is generally considered as the most structurally robust part of the aircraft, n'est-ce pas?
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 21:59
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Originally Posted by mm43 View Post
The ULB Pinger(s) were never located, nor were heard during the AF447 search. That is, both the DFDR & CVR were found minus their pinger.
Right - One of the recorders was missing the big red cylinder (with the recording medium) IIRC, but it was found on a subsequent dive. Either way, as long as the medium container is more-or-less intact, reading it should not be an issue...
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:02
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long time lurker, keep up great work guys. as regard heating food, I am I wrong in thinking The caterers who bring food to truck was brought in for questioning?
Thought I read it somewhere. As many have said the mix of complex questions, lack of full data and geo politics make this very hard call. explosion does now look likely though Imo.
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:03
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Can people please stop referring to this terrorist group by their chosen name and instead use DAISH/DAESH which gives them less legitimacy!
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:04
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Its placement would have to be quite close to the tail, based on the scarcity of additional debris found near the tailplane wreckage, and a pretty powerful one at that, given that the tail is generally considered as the most structurally robust part of the aircraft, n'est-ce pas?"

It takes a surprisingly small amount of explosive to remove the tail from a pressurized airliner at altitude.
Less than the size of 2 cigarette packs.

Placement isn't all that critical, either.


Tests were done after Lockerbie, you can see the results on Youtube
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:09
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BBC News update

Sinai plane crash: Bomb fears prompt Sharm flights suspension - BBC News

A senior UK government source [un-named] told the BBC that fresh intelligence to emerge during the last 24 hours pointed towards a bomb causing the crash.
Egypt's foreign minister, Sameh Shoukry, said he was very disappointed by the decision to suspend flights, accusing the UK government of making "a premature and unwarranted statement" on the crash.
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:14
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Russian plane tragedy: Investigators probe caterers amid evidence of 'inside explosion' | World | News | Daily Express
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:24
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Originally Posted by foxmoth View Post
Can people please stop referring to this terrorist group by their chosen name and instead use DAISH/DAESH which gives them less legitimacy!
In real terms, whatever they are called has no effect whatsoever on their legitimacy - the whole "DAESH" thing started because it happens to sound similar to a derogatory term. Strictly speaking all it'll do is antagonise them (not a good idea IMO), and frankly it's a bit puerile.

Far more important, it has yet to be confirmed that the aircraft was bombed, let alone which individuals or group were responsible; so bringing that particular group up now - whatever one chooses to call them - is just giving them publicity they don't need.

If this crash *was* the result of a criminal act, the "how" and "why" is currently a lot more pertinent than the "who".
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:38
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I know that the Russians have recently started bombing in Syria but, given the UK is probably up there with the USA in terms of a target, why Metrojet rather than easyJet or BA for example? (Both of which fly into SSH). They've had the means and opportunity for months now if the theories on here are correct. That's why I'm still erring on the side of structural/technical as it stands.
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:38
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I just leave it here - HS part of tailcone from inside:

HS servo


CVR/FDR left, HS screw and HS center

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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:41
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RexBanner, as was already mentioned here, possible that they just used first opportunity which they can grab. And at the charter plane which sits here overnight it was much more simple than at half an hour turnout lowcoster.
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:43
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Originally Posted by mm43 View Post
[...]AF447 [...]That is, both the DFDR & CVR were found minus their pinger.
Nope. CVR retained its pinger.
http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol....mages/cvr1.jpg
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:51
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Fresh video from search operation

Video

Seems all a/c parts already collected and EMERCOM team is after all small debris.
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 22:54
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Does anyone know whether Metrojet are even catered in SSH? In line with other charter airlines, I wouldn't be surprised if they return catered from Russia?
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 23:08
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Latest update: Summary - FCO advises against all but essential travel by air to or from Sharm el Sheikh airport
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 23:10
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750XL, good point!
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Old 4th Nov 2015, 23:17
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21:00 (04.11.2015)*|*

From 17:00

Look at row of seats at 17:50

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Old 4th Nov 2015, 23:21
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ATimes/Egyptian Doctor

Has this been posted? This was in the Asia Times today: "On Tuesday, an Egyptian doctor who examined the victims’ bodies suggested that “a powerful explosion took place aboard the plane before it hit the ground.” The nature of the injuries led him to make such a claim, the doctor said." Yesterday, Atimes, reported doctor saying that burns and wounds to the rear passengers were present, but not to forward ones.
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