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BREAKING NEWS: airliner missing within Egyptian FIR

Old 3rd Nov 2015, 17:43
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Remember that the underside of the aircraft was painted black/dark grey......
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 17:49
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similar burn marks on the RH side of the aircraft the red part is the wing light.

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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 17:50
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Originally Posted by VNee View Post
@A0283 said:
"What you see - as far as i know - is the muffler. Not the actual APU"


FWIW, I believe that we are looking at the APU and the muffler section
(#5758 in the picture) is what's missing.

Very sad - RIP to all these poor souls


don't know why you have drawn drawn a red line the section on the ground is the whole of the cone on this stand, just look at the grey triangle for the boundary movement of HS, it it there on both
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 17:53
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to compare with image above

Originally Posted by Kulverstukas View Post
Who was looking for APU?

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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 17:56
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bulkhead or not bulkhead

Shockwave shattered the RPB and also overloaded the skin joint at the frame where it was torn apart.
That would have explained separation of APU. To me it looks that immediate shockwave area right after the RPB is not damaged. Skin is not even peeled. APU firewall is not visibly pressed inwards by shockwave which separated it from the rest of fuselage.
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 17:59
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Originally Posted by oldoberon View Post
don't know why you have drawn drawn a red line the section on the ground is the whole of the cone on this stand, just look at the grey triangle for the boundary movement of HS, it it there on both
No, it's missing the part BEHIND the red line in the photo.
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 18:02
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Originally Posted by TylerMonkey View Post
Better detail . . .

so is this a picture looking in at the wide end of the cone, similar long black hose, or is it from slighty further forward
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 18:02
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"That would have explained separation of APU. To me it looks that immediate shockwave area right after the RPB is not damaged. Skin is not even peeled. APU firewall is not visibly pressed inwards by shockwave which separated it from the rest of fuselage."

The RPB is forward of the APU firewall (that we are seeing still attached to the tailcone) by several feet. The support structure for the HS and VS is in this area between the firewall and RPB.
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 18:12
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Originally Posted by cats_five View Post
No, it's missing the part BEHIND the red line in the photo.

Possiblt due to shape and weight (all at the rear) it came down apu 1st and it has been pushed back into the rest of that area, then whole section fell over
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 18:27
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Looking at picture in post #714. What about the hole between the wing light and the window, looks like an exit hole to me.
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 18:27
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Originally Posted by TylerMonkey View Post
Better detail . . .

That hole would be the APU generator cable feed through. probably ripped out when the tail cone seperated from the airplane.
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 18:34
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindawi_affair
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 18:45
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Traditionally, this incident from three decades ago is cited as the reason for the ubiquitous 'Did you pack your own bag?' security question.
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 19:17
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Would remind all that a small hole in a pressurized plane can be a bigger problem than a large one - when such small hole is plugged by escaping debris, it can cause a "water hammer" build-up of pressure than can completely destroy a much larger structure than the initial damage - so a very small explosive device can destroy a plane if properly set. I recall PA103 was brought down by a relatively tiny device. The flames are easily explained as subsequent break-up of the plane and engulfing fireball.

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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 19:20
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Looking at picture in post #714. What about the hole between the wing light and the window, looks like an exit hole to me.
Looks like this hole made by some pipe when on the ground. This small part attached will not survive free fall from 10 km I believe.

UPD: From other side


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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 19:24
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The RPB is forward of the APU firewall (that we are seeing still attached to the tailcone) by several feet. The support structure for the HS and VS is in this area between the firewall and RPB.
structure in question looks like this. If it gets damaged by shockwave or by heavy flowing items hitting it, it should buckle skin areas it is connected to and moving HS and VS into odd positions. Or if cleanly cut off HS and VS should have buckled fuselage skin they were connected to. Which is clearly not the case with VS for sure. Does it sound reasonable?

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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 19:25
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Anyone know if the NTSB has been invited to this party? Theoretically they could be involved through Pratt & Whitney's stake in IAE.
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Old 3rd Nov 2015, 19:33
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Do we know where it was found?
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A321

[QUOTE=Kulverstukas

Are we saying Rudder?(VS), or Tailplane(HS)?
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