BREAKING NEWS: airliner missing within Egyptian FIR
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GSLOC: thanks for that insight that's interesting. It is possible to see how a place like SSH (I've heard of numerous security lapses here) could allow a device onboard coupled with potentially a lack of search, a political motive and an insider airside could have caused it. MetroJet are fairly adamant that this wasn't technical and was caused by an impact and have taken the unprecedented move of posting the aircraft tech documents online. Someone knows more than we've been told.
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Tail delamination from hydraulic fluid
I guess A300/A321 vertical stabs are the same in principle and this leak has been clearly visible on several years of photos of EI-ETJ even in July 2015 despite being repainted since the prevous pic in May 2015 so delamination is possible?
Flaw Found In Airbus Rudders: NTSB Orders Inspection Of AA 587 Aircraft | March 31, 2006 | www.rockawave.com | Wave of Long Island
NTSB ordered an "urgent" check on the rudders of all A 300-600 aircraft in the wake of the discovery that the material that holds the rudder to the aircraft may delaminate when corroded by hydraulic fluid.
The rudders on those planes are made of composite plastic that appears prone to disintegrating, the NTSB said.
The flaw in the aircraft came to light last November, when a mechanic working on an Airbus A300-600 operated by Federal Express, found a "substantial area of disbonding between the inner skin of the composite rudder surface and the honeycomb core, which is located between two composite skins," the NTSB said in a prepared report.
"Further examination of the disbonded area revealed traces of hydraulic fluid." That contamination can lead to progressive disbonding, which compromises the strength of the rudder, according to the report.
In the wake of the mechanic's discovery, Airbus Industries, the company that manufactures the aircraft, issued mandatory instructions ordering airlines to check the rudders of their A300-600 aircraft for "deterioration of composite surfaces."
"Further tests on the damaged rudder revealed that a rapid propagation of the disbonding damage could occur during flight."
Flaw Found In Airbus Rudders: NTSB Orders Inspection Of AA 587 Aircraft | March 31, 2006 | www.rockawave.com | Wave of Long Island
NTSB ordered an "urgent" check on the rudders of all A 300-600 aircraft in the wake of the discovery that the material that holds the rudder to the aircraft may delaminate when corroded by hydraulic fluid.
The rudders on those planes are made of composite plastic that appears prone to disintegrating, the NTSB said.
The flaw in the aircraft came to light last November, when a mechanic working on an Airbus A300-600 operated by Federal Express, found a "substantial area of disbonding between the inner skin of the composite rudder surface and the honeycomb core, which is located between two composite skins," the NTSB said in a prepared report.
"Further examination of the disbonded area revealed traces of hydraulic fluid." That contamination can lead to progressive disbonding, which compromises the strength of the rudder, according to the report.
In the wake of the mechanic's discovery, Airbus Industries, the company that manufactures the aircraft, issued mandatory instructions ordering airlines to check the rudders of their A300-600 aircraft for "deterioration of composite surfaces."
"Further tests on the damaged rudder revealed that a rapid propagation of the disbonding damage could occur during flight."
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This dots looks suspicious. Could they be attributed to normal use scratches /damages ?
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Thks ZeBedie, got the wrong dots!
Hmm, hope not; but dots could be blood splatter? or splatter from rear galley contents?
Hmm, hope not; but dots could be blood splatter? or splatter from rear galley contents?
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Six years on the A320. I've never seen ANY damage of this type to the trim on ANY of the main cabin doors including 2R (319/320) which is the main service door and the galley is. The markings were not caused by the cabin crew or ordinary use of the door I'm certain of that.
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Where is the pattern on the rest of the components that connects this to an explosive device? There are some pock marks but they are not the same as the pattern on the small, top panel.
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I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Look closely and you will there appear to be some marks but that part is slightly out of focus.
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I think the general public would be very surprised if they got up close to any 15 year old jet. Evidence of historical leaks are commonplace. It doesn't necessarily mean the aircraft is unsafe.
(The exhibits there are usually just a little too clean.)
GSLOC:
Except tech log page nr 26918 is missing....
Metrojet published a bunch of tech docs:
http://urgent.metrojet.ru/files/tehd...1102175048.zip
Most interesting is a tech log filled at SSH prior to the last flight and maintenance summary check also performed at SSH. There is nothing suspicious that could be relevant to the crash though.
http://urgent.metrojet.ru/files/tehd...1102175048.zip
Most interesting is a tech log filled at SSH prior to the last flight and maintenance summary check also performed at SSH. There is nothing suspicious that could be relevant to the crash though.
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If an explosive was detonated in the rear right lav, the alleged shrapnel could be limited to the upper section of the door as the lower portion is relatively protected. The lower portion of the lavatory capsule on the rearmost side of the LAV has the sink, and the under sink unit and the cover. On the back of the LAV wall, and between the LAV and the door is the rear double crew seat which will be very strong and offer some protection from shrapnel.
The upper section is relatively unprotected and all that is between the LAV and door 4R is the toilet wall only. This would be a relative weak spot and the blast wave could be directed up and rear ward, accounting for the damage to the trim of the upper part of the door.
The upper section is relatively unprotected and all that is between the LAV and door 4R is the toilet wall only. This would be a relative weak spot and the blast wave could be directed up and rear ward, accounting for the damage to the trim of the upper part of the door.
holes in door 4R trim
re photo showing impact holes http://clip2net.com/s/3pKFqm5
if you can blow up photo you can see clearly these are def holes and not splatters or anything like that and there are some more to a lesser extent on other parts of the door trim
if the RPB had ruptured or an explosion then flying debris could have caused this?
if you can blow up photo you can see clearly these are def holes and not splatters or anything like that and there are some more to a lesser extent on other parts of the door trim
if the RPB had ruptured or an explosion then flying debris could have caused this?
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That door may have been moved to gain access for search/recovery.
That door may have been moved to gain access for search/recovery.
The pattern of damage/dots could also have been caused by the impact with the ground or debris thrown up by that impact?
Dots on upper door panel could be from ground contact
We see the fin was dislocated presumably from ground contact.
The same forces could have torn out the door such that the upper panel hit the ground. Lots of dark pebbles present.
The same forces could have torn out the door such that the upper panel hit the ground. Lots of dark pebbles present.
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On other occasion I witnessed cabin crew sneakily smoking in aft galley during turnaround.
10 years ago, before the beardy mafia took over, I'd have been back there with them, and at no time did my aircraft end up splattered all over the desert. What's your point?
Meanwhile, in other news..
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I think the general public would be very surprised if they got up close to any 15 year old jet. Evidence of historical leaks are commonplace. It doesn't necessarily mean the aircraft is unsafe.
This. I recall walking around under the B-70 at the USAF museum before they cleaned it up, looking up at the film of hydraulic fluid and rubber dust that coated it, and thinking "Boy, this looks like a real airplane!"
(The exhibits there are usually just a little too clean.)
Yes. On a C or D check, we would park the arriving aircraft and powerwash the entire "works" of the aircraft after opening all access panels to the mechanicals. Then let it drip dry overnight. These were regularly serviced aircraft from a major airline, and skydrol, grease, oil, fuel, bluewater, etc was everywhere.
You can't inspect an aircraft covered in goo.
This. I recall walking around under the B-70 at the USAF museum before they cleaned it up, looking up at the film of hydraulic fluid and rubber dust that coated it, and thinking "Boy, this looks like a real airplane!"
(The exhibits there are usually just a little too clean.)
Yes. On a C or D check, we would park the arriving aircraft and powerwash the entire "works" of the aircraft after opening all access panels to the mechanicals. Then let it drip dry overnight. These were regularly serviced aircraft from a major airline, and skydrol, grease, oil, fuel, bluewater, etc was everywhere.
You can't inspect an aircraft covered in goo.
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If the marks are the same, that would confirm a source that affected the area rather than one panel, but I just didn't see the same pattern. I did take a look, enhancing the photos to do so using high-contrast techniques and could see pock-marks, (which could have several sources, particularly during the impact with the ground). I just didn't see anything lower down on the door - the panels around the slide-engagement lever and the slide/hinge cover. I also enhanced the image looking inside the cabin to the bulkhead, (to the left, looking in the opening) and saw ill-defined pock-marks that could be anything.
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Tail cone as air brake?
This picture of the APU/tail cone posted by Almostfamous
It looks like there is corrosion there (widely supossed as result of the skydrol leakage) and I think this was the first piece falling apart, pulling the assembly of stabilisers and RPB with him (still attached through pipes/cables), this resulting in the explosive decompression and damage to the rear fuselage.
It looks like there is corrosion there (widely supossed as result of the skydrol leakage) and I think this was the first piece falling apart, pulling the assembly of stabilisers and RPB with him (still attached through pipes/cables), this resulting in the explosive decompression and damage to the rear fuselage.