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Good spot N1 Vibes, and your explanation is bob on.
I remember during the development phase of those old 524's, special measures were taken to avoid re circulation within the test beds for exactly the reason you state.
I remember during the development phase of those old 524's, special measures were taken to avoid re circulation within the test beds for exactly the reason you state.
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Aha!
I recognize that ship and recall having flown it about 10 years ago!
If you look closely, the registration is TF-ATX - Icelandic. In fact, Air Atlanta Icelandic doing ACMI work for MAS Kargo (Malaysian Air Cargo). At one time AAI had 3 747s (all classics) dedicated to that contract. No idea if they still do. Some pretty nice and intersting flying - AMS, ZRH, FRA, DXB, HKG, SYD, MEL, PEN and others...........
I recognize that ship and recall having flown it about 10 years ago!
If you look closely, the registration is TF-ATX - Icelandic. In fact, Air Atlanta Icelandic doing ACMI work for MAS Kargo (Malaysian Air Cargo). At one time AAI had 3 747s (all classics) dedicated to that contract. No idea if they still do. Some pretty nice and intersting flying - AMS, ZRH, FRA, DXB, HKG, SYD, MEL, PEN and others...........
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Further news from Boeing and BA. Looks like they will repair in LAS and will take from 2-2.5 months to complete. Not sure if that includes the replacement engine or not.
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Originally Posted by alexb757
Further news from Boeing and BA. Looks like they will repair in LAS and will take from 2-2.5 months to complete. Not sure if that includes the replacement engine or not.
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Hull Loss
Would it stand to reason the Boeing (and perhaps GE) to offer subsidies to the overall repair cost so to avoid another hull loss?
Although there has only been one 777 loss so far that was squarely on Boeing (Cairo) or two if you count RR engines (London) there still have been three others in a little more than 2 recent years (MH17 assumed), though hardly issues faulting Boeing.
I doubt this would not be the first time a frame has been restored and resumed service with repair cost questionable to its book value.
Although there has only been one 777 loss so far that was squarely on Boeing (Cairo) or two if you count RR engines (London) there still have been three others in a little more than 2 recent years (MH17 assumed), though hardly issues faulting Boeing.
I doubt this would not be the first time a frame has been restored and resumed service with repair cost questionable to its book value.
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Originally Posted by alexb757
Further news from Boeing and BA. Looks like they will repair in LAS and will take from 2-2.5 months to complete. Not sure if that includes the replacement engine or not.
Good luck with that working out!
Well, it's still sitting on the cargo ramp to where it was towed more than two weeks after the incident, and both sides of the aircraft as well as the engine pylon, have been taped off and covered in plastic sheeting.
Word has it that Boeing and BA AOG will be doing the work together. Not likely to start until some time in October since there are some logistics to sort out as well as airport authority authorizations, no doubt.
Further news from Boeing and BA. Looks like they will repair in LAS and will take from 2-2.5 months to complete. Not sure if that includes the replacement engine or not.
Good luck with that working out!
Well, it's still sitting on the cargo ramp to where it was towed more than two weeks after the incident, and both sides of the aircraft as well as the engine pylon, have been taped off and covered in plastic sheeting.
Word has it that Boeing and BA AOG will be doing the work together. Not likely to start until some time in October since there are some logistics to sort out as well as airport authority authorizations, no doubt.
One often overlooked aspect of the 'repair' or 'scrap' equation is the availability of replacement aircraft. The 777 remains a very popular aircraft, and while a few dozen have been retired or "permanently removed from service", those aircraft are well and truly knackered. Delivery slots of new 777's are pretty much non-existent for the next 3 years.
There was a case of a 747 heavily damaged in runway over-run back in the 1980's that was repaired and returned to service even though it cost more to repair than it was worth, simply because they needed the aircraft and Boeing didn't have any available delivery slots.
There was a case of a 747 heavily damaged in runway over-run back in the 1980's that was repaired and returned to service even though it cost more to repair than it was worth, simply because they needed the aircraft and Boeing didn't have any available delivery slots.
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Should not be an issue, as Kenya is trying to sell four, which are in storage and newer (and with RR's which BA already has as well).
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Should not be an issue, as Kenya is trying to sell four, which are in storage and newer (and with RR's which BA already has as well).
Edit: Mixed GE and RR on T72 and GE only on T73
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@TDRacer:-
Are you referring to the QF Golf Buggy? I don't think economics came into that decision; it was Rainman & QANTAS corporate reputation by accounts. Never lost a hull...
There was a case of a 747 heavily damaged in runway over-run back in the 1980's that was repaired and returned to service even though it cost more to repair than it was worth, simply because they needed the aircraft and Boeing didn't have any available delivery slots.
Are you referring to the QF Golf Buggy? I don't think economics came into that decision; it was Rainman & QANTAS corporate reputation by accounts. Never lost a hull...
There was a case of a 747 heavily damaged in runway over-run back in the 1980's that was repaired and returned to service even though it cost more to repair than it was worth, simply because they needed the aircraft and Boeing didn't have any available delivery slots.
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"Word has it that Boeing and BA AOG will be doing the work together. Not likely to start until some time in October since there are some logistics to sort out as well as airport authority authorizations, no doubt."
Boeing has had an inspection team go over the entire damage. They will make up a series of repair kits, all individually crated so as to allow the work to proceed in a logical order. The repair orders are written as to speed the tear-down and repair.
I saw this first hand when one of out Boeings was involve in a runway collision with another plane .
The aircraft sat in the hangar for 6 weeks, or so, than all these large wooden crates arrived. Every needed part down to the number of hi-loks and tubes of fuel tank sealant were in the proper boxes.
A Boeing repair crew showed up and went about repairing the wing and fuselage damage. About a month later, it was back flying again.
Boeing has had an inspection team go over the entire damage. They will make up a series of repair kits, all individually crated so as to allow the work to proceed in a logical order. The repair orders are written as to speed the tear-down and repair.
I saw this first hand when one of out Boeings was involve in a runway collision with another plane .
The aircraft sat in the hangar for 6 weeks, or so, than all these large wooden crates arrived. Every needed part down to the number of hi-loks and tubes of fuel tank sealant were in the proper boxes.
A Boeing repair crew showed up and went about repairing the wing and fuselage damage. About a month later, it was back flying again.
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@TDRacer:-
Are you referring to the QF Golf Buggy? I don't think economics came into that decision; it was Rainman & QANTAS corporate reputation by accounts. Never lost a hull...
There was a case of a 747 heavily damaged in runway over-run back in the 1980's that was repaired and returned to service even though it cost more to repair than it was worth, simply because they needed the aircraft and Boeing didn't have any available delivery slots.
@TDRacer:-
Are you referring to the QF Golf Buggy? I don't think economics came into that decision; it was Rainman & QANTAS corporate reputation by accounts. Never lost a hull...
There was a case of a 747 heavily damaged in runway over-run back in the 1980's that was repaired and returned to service even though it cost more to repair than it was worth, simply because they needed the aircraft and Boeing didn't have any available delivery slots.
Cheers, Nightowl727
p.s. Any decision on the viability of repairs vs. write-off of the LAS T7 will obviously be made by folk with high pay grades at BA, but I do remember they repaired a 747 at BGI (in the open air!) with superficially very similar damage after a refuelling incident that went very pear-shaped - thinking it was around '79..
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p.s. Any decision on the viability of repairs vs. write-off of the LAS T7 will obviously be made by folk with high pay grades at BA, but I do remember they repaired a 747 at BGI (in the open air!) with superficially very similar damage after a refuelling incident that went very pear-shaped - thinking it was around '79..
Nightowl: this repair will be done in "the open air" here at LAS. Said aircraft will be relocacted to a slightly different pad (for a variety of reasons) and the aircraft is all prepped, waiting for the AOG folks to arrive and start their round the clock shifts.......
Weatherwise, it's the beginning of fall/autumn here and even today the temps are in the high 90s (~37*C)......best part of the year here is late September and October
Nightowl: this repair will be done in "the open air" here at LAS. Said aircraft will be relocacted to a slightly different pad (for a variety of reasons) and the aircraft is all prepped, waiting for the AOG folks to arrive and start their round the clock shifts.......
Weatherwise, it's the beginning of fall/autumn here and even today the temps are in the high 90s (~37*C)......best part of the year here is late September and October
@TDRacer:-
Are you referring to the QF Golf Buggy? I don't think economics came into that decision; it was Rainman & QANTAS corporate reputation by accounts. Never lost a hull...
Are you referring to the QF Golf Buggy? I don't think economics came into that decision; it was Rainman & QANTAS corporate reputation by accounts. Never lost a hull...
It's been about 30 years (and I didn't find it on a quick Google), but memory says it was Air India, or at least somewhere in India. I mainly remember it because it was such a big deal to the Boeing AOG team - the biggest job they'd ever done - and they were justifiably proud (err, unlike a certain JAL 747 they'd repaired
).