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BA 777 on fire in Las Vegas

Old 10th Oct 2015, 01:44
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Thanks Alexb757, your input is always really appreciated.
Also check my post #354 when you have a second. It is on page 18.
I have seen many times in serious "fire" incidents that cockpit-based info alone is rarely sufficient to assess the outside situation hence a 3rd pilot can make a huge difference as in this case. Each second saved to initiate an evacuation means saving lives.

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Thank you. I have re-read that post of yours from last month and couldn't agree more!

It was all a team effort that paid off. And yes, quite serious. KLAS has not seen an "alert 3" in a few decades.

Sidebar note: as a result of us (airport authority) responding to the real thing and the debrief, the Feds waived our mandated three-yearly disaster exercise which was already planned in another 4 weeks after the BA incident.....

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Old 10th Oct 2015, 12:40
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Boeing presumably, as said pilot became BA B744 Technical Manager.

And a very good one as far as us ramp engineers in LHR T4 were concerned. He had a considerable background technical knowledge of the aircraft was always ready to help us out and was a great help during the first few years of 747-400 operation.
After this incident I understand he offered his resignation, which was not accepted by company.
And no hunterboy, it was not the Bionic Carrot.
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 05:30
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Being so called "SLF" and silent reader this piece of information is what I always assumed would happen. I will act accordingly (in the unlikely event).
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 10:28
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Perhaps there will be a briefing this week from the Boeing users conference
being held in Seattle. Might be one or two things that we have not heard about yet that will open our eyes to the "what if this was me" scenario?
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Old 12th Oct 2015, 20:19
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Has there been any firm decision yet about the aircraft being repaired or declared a write off?


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Old 13th Oct 2015, 15:01
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As it turns out the evacuation order was given prior to the right engine being shut down according to those close to the investigation.


As it turns out the crew did just what they had been trained for. The fire was out, the checklist was completed and then low and behold they were told they were on fire.

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Old 13th Oct 2015, 19:30
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Perhaps there will be a briefing this week from the Boeing users conference
being held in Seattle. Might be one or two things that we have not heard about yet that will open our eyes to the "what if this was me" scenario?
If it was you, Spooky2, we would be endlessly dissecting and Monday quarterbacking your every move here on PPRuNe, just as you are doing to the crew concerned....
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Old 13th Oct 2015, 21:13
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Sorry Overstress but I remain clueless as to where you're going with that thought. Never have been critical of the crew. I do suspect that there will be changes to the RTO so this kind of thing does not happen again. Thank God the RP was there to go back in the cabin at the Commanders direction to check on things.
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Old 13th Oct 2015, 23:17
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In which case my apologies, I must have misinterpreted your posting above, re-read it and I'm not sure what point you are making?
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Old 14th Oct 2015, 10:36
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No problem probably my writing without the brain fully engaged. It happens like that once and awhile.


My point was the crew did a perfect RTO then moved down to the ECL and did the engine fire shutdown at which time the "engine fire" was extinguished. They were in the process of starting the APU when the Commander asked the 3rd pilot to check on the cabin, which he did. To his surprise the there was fire outside the cabin so he returned to the flight decked and advised the two pilots that they had a serious fire condition. Then they ordered an evacuation....


As stated before the fire was from line fuel that had spilled on the ground when the 2 inch fuel line from the firewall to the engine was severed. Approximately 40+ gallons spilled on he ground and was ignited. There was another 80 gallons still in the pipe. The engine fire was out, but the fuel fire was the problem now. Being that the crew could not see this from the flight deck and as far as they were concerned their fire problem was over I think they acted like any of would have given the same circumstances up to that point. The evacuation may be a different story.
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Old 19th Oct 2015, 13:28
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Very common theme in multiple incidents, year in year out, including this one: PIC and F/O cannot see what is happening externally behind the cockpit, leading to sub-optimal decision making.

On many aircraft even the passengers can see what is happening beneath/ ahead of the aircraft (and with their own eyes what is happening with wings/ engines) ... why shouldn't the pilots have a similar facility during an emergency? Why should they rely on second-hand reports from relief pilots or cabin crew?

Surely fixed cameras covering both wings (plus/minus beneath fuselage) would be useful in these circumstances? Cost: Unknown, but surely not completely prohibitive. Seems strange to me that pilots should have such massive instrumental knowledge about their aircraft, yet have such limited visual situational awareness. Even my SUV has better rearward visibility with an effective camera.
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Old 17th Dec 2015, 21:06
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British Airways jet that caught fire before takeoff at McCarran to fly again | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Looks like they're not going to write it off.
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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 15:10
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Flightglobal confirmed the repair in KLAS by BA.
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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 15:17
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I heard a trailer yesterday evening for a Radio 4 programme with Chris Henkey describing his experiences of the event, to be broadcast over Christmas; I've looked but can't see it listed on the BBC website.
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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 18:11
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doubtful to me they spend dozens of millions for a 16 year old ship. There are so many sections and structural elements affected. Insurance would pay anyway.
An unprecedented repair like this is likely to be pricier than buying one from the desert or 2nd hand.
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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 19:03
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doubtful to me they spend dozens of millions for a 16 year old ship
You don't think that the reports it's going to be repaired are correct? I'll admit to being surprised that it is, but there is no reason to suggest that it has been misreported.

Insurance would pay anyway. An unprecedented repair like this is likely to be pricier than buying one from the desert or 2nd hand.
The insurers will likely have been party to the decision to repair the aircraft.
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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 19:29
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More like BA don't want to join Malaysian Airlines in being the only airlines to have written off 2 777's, whether it was an accident or not.
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Old 22nd Dec 2015, 22:44
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Perhaps figure lifetime operating costs for a new build 777 into the equation.

Maybe the manufacturer was keen to avoid another write-off as that could affect future insurance premiums for all hulls...
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 11:11
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Maybe the manufacturer was keen to avoid another write-off as that could affect future insurance premiums for all hulls...
Well if it did have an affect that would hardly be fair - the 777 has been extremely good for many years now.

Arguably even the incident involving BA at Heathrow shows that given half a chance the 777 will keep everyone alive and mostly unharmed in the most trying of circumstances. That should have a positive affect in premiums.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 14:57
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I must admit I was also surprised when I heard they were going to repair it.

Some interesting comments on possible reasons for repairing it. I wonder what the current availability of 777 airframes is like. Obviously a new 777 will normally have a long lead time, which might influence the decision to repair. But what about used airframes in storage.....perhaps there are just none available at the moment which had perhaps made a repair the better option for the airline.
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