Jet Airways- 7 approaches - lands with 270kg fuel
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Jet Airways- 7 approaches - lands with 270kg fuel
Just seen on avhearld that a Jet Airways B737 landed with approx only around 10 minutes fuel in tanks !!
6 missed approaches - landed on the 7th attempt
I really hope the concerned pilots are never are left near an aircraft again .
http://avherald.com/h?article=48b217ed&opt=0
6 missed approaches - landed on the 7th attempt
I really hope the concerned pilots are never are left near an aircraft again .
http://avherald.com/h?article=48b217ed&opt=0
What a bunch of ratbags you lot are. Pilots spearing pilots! How about getting the facts first. 
As for "The DGCA reported they are looking into the airline's fueling policy as well as into the weather reports and why the crew diverted to Trivandrum" it's pretty flippin' obvious why they diverted.
As for "The DGCA reported they are looking into the airline's fueling policy as well as into the weather reports and why the crew diverted to Trivandrum" it's pretty flippin' obvious why they diverted.
Two missed approaches MAXIMUM and you divert unless the conditions have improved significantly. When you decide to divert make sure you alternate is going to allow you to land.
In mitigation I would point out that weather forecasting in India leaves a bit to be desired and they may have been caught out with unforcast fog at VOTV, a similar incident occurred in Australia a while back where two aircraft diverted to Mildura which then became fog bound.
The avherald report also list VOTV as being south of Kochi, which would put in in the ocean as Kochi is on the southern tip of India.
In mitigation I would point out that weather forecasting in India leaves a bit to be desired and they may have been caught out with unforcast fog at VOTV, a similar incident occurred in Australia a while back where two aircraft diverted to Mildura which then became fog bound.
The avherald report also list VOTV as being south of Kochi, which would put in in the ocean as Kochi is on the southern tip of India.
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Cochin isn't right at the tip; Trivandrum is closer to the tip by 200km.
Nothing should be taken as obvious.
The approaches to Cochin from flightradar24:
Nothing should be taken as obvious.
The approaches to Cochin from flightradar24:
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Just landed at trivandrum ...ILS not available due equipment to be replaced from 17 th to 25 th... Only vor approach available ....may be the crew thought ils is available and diverted only to find out otherwise later.
Feel bad for the crew that they had to go through this....we all make mistake.....fortunately no injuries...
Feel bad for the crew that they had to go through this....we all make mistake.....fortunately no injuries...
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As ever, it is easy to be wise after the event.
What is important is that junior birdmen study the circumstances surrounding this flight and learn from it.
Probably bring it up during the next MCC/JOC ground school prior to the intrepid aviators stepping into the -800 sim.
The crew will certainty learn a lot from it.
What is important is that junior birdmen study the circumstances surrounding this flight and learn from it.
Probably bring it up during the next MCC/JOC ground school prior to the intrepid aviators stepping into the -800 sim.
The crew will certainty learn a lot from it.
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What a bunch of ratbags you lot are. Pilots spearing pilots! How about getting the facts first
Maybe they were below minimums with no runway lights in sight.
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More to the story...
METAR for Bengaluru at the time:
VOBL 180100Z 00000KT 6000 FEW010 25/25 Q1014 NOSIG
VOBL 180000Z VRB02KT 6000 SCT010 SCT080 25/25 Q1014 NOSIG
DGCA suspends two Jet pilots who landed in seventh attempt with fuel running dangerously low - The Times of India
We have suspended both the pilots of that flight, 9W 555, operated on a Boeing 737-800 (VT-JFA). We are reviewing the fuel uplift policy of Jet Airways to check that right amount of fuel is filled on aircraft and that there are no cuts being made on that front
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The DGCA is investigating that the diversion airport for the Doha-Kochi flight was listed as Bengaluru and so why did it go to Thiruvananthapuram.
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The DGCA is investigating that the diversion airport for the Doha-Kochi flight was listed as Bengaluru and so why did it go to Thiruvananthapuram.
VOBL 180100Z 00000KT 6000 FEW010 25/25 Q1014 NOSIG
VOBL 180000Z VRB02KT 6000 SCT010 SCT080 25/25 Q1014 NOSIG
DGCA suspends two Jet pilots who landed in seventh attempt with fuel running dangerously low - The Times of India
I don’t think there is enough information about the actual circumstances to draw much in the way of conclusions about this particular flight.
Purely as general observation, there is a chance (low but finite) that at a certain point in a flight you have committed to landing below minima at your destination or an alternate but don’t know it yet. You can dispatch and conduct everything according to the regulations thereafter but statistics say that one day all the problems will line up. The art, I suppose, is catching a developing situation early and making sure that if you are going to break the rules, you do it in the way that has the best chance of a safe outcome.
Purely as general observation, there is a chance (low but finite) that at a certain point in a flight you have committed to landing below minima at your destination or an alternate but don’t know it yet. You can dispatch and conduct everything according to the regulations thereafter but statistics say that one day all the problems will line up. The art, I suppose, is catching a developing situation early and making sure that if you are going to break the rules, you do it in the way that has the best chance of a safe outcome.
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Some conclusions are obvious. If you end up landing with less than 20% of your minimum fuel reserves there were some major planning discrepencies. If your alternate has the same weather as your destination, it was probably never a good alternate. The fuel you used doing 7 approaches would have been better used heading over to somewhere with less challenging weather. If your weather forecasting infrastructure is that unreliable, maybe that should factor in your initial fuel planning, not on your 6th GA. I'm all for the causal chain of events, but the need for solid airmanship and captaincy are a constant, not a variable.
If you end up landing with less than 20% of your minimum fuel reserves there were some major planning discrepencies.
Reserve fuel is there for a reason: the unexpected. It is very rare to get to the point of having to use any of it as normal procedures cover almost all eventualities but if we never ever expected to dip into it we wouldn’t carry it.
I can easily envisage a situation where the destination and alternate are forecast to be above minima but you take some extra just in case. You get to destination and it’s hovering around minima so you shoot a few approaches then divert just as your alternate does the same (unforecast) as the destination. By then you are committed to one or the other. The dilemma is whether to set off for your alternate hoping the weather improves or to stay where you are which gives you more chances to complete a successful approach.
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What a bunch of ratbags you lot are. Pilots spearing pilots! How about getting the facts first
(possibly never flown anything!).Used to operate BAH - Trivandrum, our diversion was Madras/Chennai, morning mist was considered quite common.