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Air Baltic Crew escorterd from AC by police.

Old 19th Aug 2015, 23:54
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On a lighter note, from an earlier era -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqE...qEMPYS9XM#t=13
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Old 20th Aug 2015, 18:33
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp
All they had to do was call in sick. Just make a call, blame it on food poisoning, get some sleep and get on another flight back home. Now they've ruined their careers and possibly their private lives as well....
Or not drink before their flight, maybe?
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Old 21st Aug 2015, 04:14
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp
All they had to do was call in sick. Just make a call, blame it on food poisoning, get some sleep and get on another flight back home. Now they've ruined their careers and possibly their private lives as well....
Taking in to consideration the disruption caused it might be considered reasonable for the operator to demand doctor's certificates or even send the company or hotel doctor to their rooms!
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Old 21st Aug 2015, 05:11
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As usual people read in to posts whatever they want to. It's obviously not ok getting pissed before a duty like they did. However there had been a comment from crew members that it had "gone out of control" or similar and if it did, then all they had to do was call in sick.

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My experience in Norway regarding the police with respect to drunk flying is this:
They are quite trigger happy about this, and without proper verification they will confront a crew, in public, to do a breathalizer test. (In front of the airport building)
After all crew members were found to be completely sober at 5am, the police was asked why they had to undergo this treatment.
It turned out that "someone" in the crew hotel tipped them off. The LATE crew was seen having a drink in the bar at midnight.
So the EARLY outgoing crew was breathalized. To their disappointment they were sober of course.
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Old 21st Aug 2015, 09:50
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Phileas is right. Colleague of mine who pre-empted his flying career with five years in "ops" tells me that in the glorious past,the number of aircrew who "phoned in sick" , particularly cabin crew, on a friday night caused frantic aggravation for whoever was manning the crewing & ops depts. Later, most companies started demanding a "sick note" . One could get away with three days sickness without a note but not any more and certainly not in the companies I served. Skipper Props advocates just phoning in sick and telling porkies. That would have caused just as much aggro for this crew and suspicion would have been aroused anyway.
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Old 21st Aug 2015, 17:08
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Skipper Props advocates just phoning in sick and telling porkies. That would have caused just as much aggro for this crew and suspicion would have been aroused anyway.
"just as much aggro"?

They would still have aviation careers, even if a single incident got them fired from Air Baltic, which I doubt.

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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 08:18
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Quote: I'd also like to extend thanks to the media for not publishing names and pictures.

Why that? Not publishing names means that every Baltic pilot/cabin crew is now a suspect. Journalists must publish names because people have the right to know
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 16:31
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Air Baltic crews are not suspects You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out that those who were found guilty are in jail now. There are no other suspects.

Further, stocks and pillory were abolished some time ago. These guys have ruined their careers, they'll spend some time in jail. After their punishment, they should get a chance to become productive members of society again. They're not repeat offenders afaik. Public humiliation serves no purpose, and I'm happy to see otherwise often sensationalist media showing some restraint.
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Akasylvia : what a cosy little comfy blanket world you live in . Where can I buy some ! Try telling the future employer after phoning in sick & telling porkies...."er, yeah, me, the Fo, two cabin crew were fired for calling in sick. B I G investigation & we were fired."................oh yeah, hit Pprune, papers. media, inhouse jail mags.............................future careers ? Wake up Dad !
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:58
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That's the difference between a boy and a man, the man calls in sick, and take the consequence. It's still better telling a future employer that you'd made a stupid decision and got a bit too much in the evening, but you were man enough to admit it and face it.

Now they'll most likely end up not having a future job in aviation, cause the only right decision they had, they didn't take.... how's that for a pilot?
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:25
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Akasylvia : what a cosy little comfy blanket world you live in . Where can I buy some ! Try telling the future employer after phoning in sick & telling porkies...."er, yeah, me, the Fo, two cabin crew were fired for calling in sick. B I G investigation & we were fired."................oh yeah, hit Pprune, papers. media, inhouse jail mags.............................future careers ? Wake up Dad !
If that's the way you present yourself in an interview, no wonder you are worried about job security.

I'll try to be clearer:

Pulling a sicky, especially just the once because you messed up, does not get people banned from aviation careers and put into jail.

Flying a plane drunk, on the other hand...
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:41
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Towerdog -

Looks like the crew is going to jail...

The police was alerted by a hotel employee at 04:00.
Don't drink and fly in Norway, they don't like it and get grumpy
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Your comment appears to show support for this wayward bunch - seems like you approve of drinking prior to flying in any country where you may get away with it. I hope I've misread you
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Old 23rd Aug 2015, 09:51
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and don't drink and drive in Norway - IIRC just about any amount of beer puts you over the limit

they also are keen on road blocks for commuters in the morning

Your licence is removed immediately until you appear in court

Penalties vary depending on the blood alcohol level.

They range from a fine for being just over the limit (above 0.2% and
up to 0.4%).

A driver detected with 0.8% BAC (currently still legal in the UK) can expect to pay a fine of at least 10,000kroner (1,250 euros), lose his/her licence for 18 to 20 months and may be sent to prison for up to three weeks.
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I had to laugh. The banner add for this topic is from airBaltic Training regarding 737 Ratings.
Their catch phrase: "Do it with an Airline."
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Old 26th Aug 2015, 13:11
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They would still have aviation careers,
Which could possibly mean they might one day fly in a drunken state with dreadful consequences.
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Old 27th Aug 2015, 19:50
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Grrr

one rotten apple, or a liquor chocolate would put anyone over that lousy limit.
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Old 27th Aug 2015, 21:35
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On a breathalyzer right after consumption maybe.

But one will not register 1.4 on a blood test by eating a few liquor chocolates! That's approximately 5 pints of beer assuming a 200 lbs. male.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 15:14
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one advantage of the Norwegain rules are that you don't even think of having ANY alcohol if you think you are driving/flying the next day - it's a bit extreme (like stealing in Saudi) but it is clear

Of course out in the sticks there are always people who drink and drive but there is no way round it if you're stopped...........................
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 18:56
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one advantage of the Norwegain rules are that you don't even think of having ANY alcohol if you think you are driving/flying the next day - it's a bit extreme (like stealing in Saudi) but it is clear
Yeah, crystal clear rules, I know: Born and raised there before I relocated to the Colonies.
Incidentally Norway also have the lowest traffic fatalities of any country, (according to Google anyways) 2,9 fatalities per 100,000, one of the highest is The Dominican Republic with over 40. The U.S. Is around 11, Sweden 3, etc.
As for flying under the influence, few if any accidents due to Alchohol in commercial aviation anywhere in the world. Not a big, or a dangerous problem.
Fatique however is the white elpahant in the room.
Sometimes we are so exhausted and tired after long flights and much longer duty days that we can hardly spell our names and keep slurring on the radio.
Granted, that was usually working for cargo carriers working under some supplemental rules of the FARs. (Federal Aviation Regulation)
Last time I did that was in 2007. 30 hour Duty Days with no rest
Perfectly legal by the graveyard agency called the FAA.
Limited to 12 hours flight time with 3 cockpit crews, but if the last leg was an empty ferry, no limits, keep on flying boys until you pass out.
For those scenarios it was up to the pilots to say stop, and we did many times, yet it was perfectly legal to continue another 10 hours or whatever you were scheduled for.
A call from the boss could be expected though, money before safety...
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