Flaperon washes up on Reunion Island
Now verified by Malaysian Airlines. Read down to the end of the article.
http://m.theage.com.au/world/mh370-part-number-confirms-debris-from-boeing-777-20150731-gip6ge.html
http://m.theage.com.au/world/mh370-part-number-confirms-debris-from-boeing-777-20150731-gip6ge.html
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What's the use of this debris?
The UWA is not saying that they can pinpoint the crash site - but that the flaperon is at least one useful piece in the puzzle. If more wreckage could be found, that would be additional useful pieces to the puzzle.
MH370 - Australian search authorities increasingly confident debris is from missing Malaysian plane
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But why would the French want to take the lead? Surely the more pragmatic course of action would be to allow the Aussies/Malaysians ...
1. because it happened on Réunion island, which is French territory, whatever you like it or not. Si it "belongs" to the country finding it, could it be Tanzania or Somalia...
2. because the technical assets available at the French Flight Test Center laboratories (Toulouse) are much, much more elaborate than anything which can be mustered from the two above-mentioned countries - even if there is probably not much to be extracted from this flaperon, except confirming the serial numbers...)
1. because it happened on Réunion island, which is French territory, whatever you like it or not. Si it "belongs" to the country finding it, could it be Tanzania or Somalia...
2. because the technical assets available at the French Flight Test Center laboratories (Toulouse) are much, much more elaborate than anything which can be mustered from the two above-mentioned countries - even if there is probably not much to be extracted from this flaperon, except confirming the serial numbers...)
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With resp0ect to the barnacles,
From Encyclopedia of Life.
Pelagic means open sea. For this species of barnacle to attach itself, as juveniles, to the flaperon, all that would be needed is proximity to a nearby floating object with adult, hermaphroditic barnacles attached.
The route taken by the flaperon was along the northern circulation of the Indian Ocean Gyre, which is a counterclockwise current; a current that conveys all manner of trash and debris.
Lepas anatifera is a pelagic barnacle that can be found attached to a variety of floating objects, including driftwood, bottles, boats, buoys, macroalgal rafts, and turtles. It can also be found on fixed objects such as rocks and off-shore structures. This species is most abundant in tropical and subtropical waters where sea temperatures exceed 18-20 ºC.
Range depth: 0 to 2909 m.
Habitat Regions: temperate ; saltwater or marine
Aquatic Biomes: pelagic ; coastal
Other Habitat Features: intertidal or littoral
Range depth: 0 to 2909 m.
Habitat Regions: temperate ; saltwater or marine
Aquatic Biomes: pelagic ; coastal
Other Habitat Features: intertidal or littoral
Pelagic means open sea. For this species of barnacle to attach itself, as juveniles, to the flaperon, all that would be needed is proximity to a nearby floating object with adult, hermaphroditic barnacles attached.
The route taken by the flaperon was along the northern circulation of the Indian Ocean Gyre, which is a counterclockwise current; a current that conveys all manner of trash and debris.
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Don't shoot the messenger but I believe that the inference was in the last paragraph
"The confirmation came after the debris, bearing the number BB670, was sent to offices of France's BEA crash investigation agency in Toulouse, which verified it was indeed the first trace of the lost plane to be found."
Although there seems to have been no official communication so far.
"The confirmation came after the debris, bearing the number BB670, was sent to offices of France's BEA crash investigation agency in Toulouse, which verified it was indeed the first trace of the lost plane to be found."
Although there seems to have been no official communication so far.
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bearing the number BB670
657AT
657BB
657CB
657DB
657CT
and
657EB
These are the access panel numbers according to the AMM.
This does just confirm that the piece is indeed an 777 flaperon. Nothing more and nothing less.
I have no clue where they have the BB670 from...
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A brief description of BEA lab equipment and procedures:
Metallurgical examinations
and a bit on jurisdiction:
Legal context
Metallurgical examinations
and a bit on jurisdiction:
Legal context
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What if the autopilot is also disabled. Very likely with O2 bottle fragments flying around the E/E bay causing power interruptions.
Once trimmed for cruise and with bank angle protection(30degs) the 777 will fly on to fuel exhaustion on a random route. As for flying over any waypoints- probably just by chance. Flying an airway- I've haven't seen any accurate centreline radar tracks.
As for exceeding vmo-as trimmed fo cruise with both engines going, once the engines flame out, it'll pitch down exceeding VMO.
What if the autopilot is also disabled. Very likely with O2 bottle fragments flying around the E/E bay causing power interruptions.
Once trimmed for cruise and with bank angle protection(30degs) the 777 will fly on to fuel exhaustion on a random route. As for flying over any waypoints- probably just by chance. Flying an airway- I've haven't seen any accurate centreline radar tracks.
As for exceeding vmo-as trimmed fo cruise with both engines going, once the engines flame out, it'll pitch down exceeding VMO.
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nobody has mentioned yet the fact on a ditching at sea, the engines will have been pulled from the pylons quite violently and this could be a reason why the flaperon section has also been torn away. remember the hudson a320? that wasnt exactly a high speed ditch.
i would expect the engine fan cowl assemblies which are also composite will be bobbing about somewhere.
i would expect the engine fan cowl assemblies which are also composite will be bobbing about somewhere.
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What if the autopilot is also disabled. Very likely with O2 bottle fragments flying around the E/E bay causing power interruptions.
Once trimmed for cruise and with bank angle protection(30degs) the 777 will fly on to fuel exhaustion on a random route. As for flying over any waypoints- probably just by chance. Flying an airway- I've haven't seen any accurate centreline radar tracks.
As for exceeding vmo-as trimmed fo cruise with both engines going, once the engines flame out, it'll pitch down exceeding VMO.
What if the autopilot is also disabled. Very likely with O2 bottle fragments flying around the E/E bay causing power interruptions.
Once trimmed for cruise and with bank angle protection(30degs) the 777 will fly on to fuel exhaustion on a random route. As for flying over any waypoints- probably just by chance. Flying an airway- I've haven't seen any accurate centreline radar tracks.
As for exceeding vmo-as trimmed fo cruise with both engines going, once the engines flame out, it'll pitch down exceeding VMO.
If you accept the odds of that I have a Kansas City Sea front condo to sell you...
A 777 when both engines are flamed out will fly a phugoid descent - this was ascertained by someone with time on a commercial 777 simulator. So it does not exceed VMO as it pitches up as speed increases then down when it reduces.
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The French may be applying a particular provision of the Montreal Convention. The French made particular note that there were French nationals on board.
Below is the United States claim to jurisdiction for any crime on a foreign-owned aircraft flying outside the airspace of the United States, where a United States national was on board.
It would be an interesting legal excursion to examine whether an aircraft instantly on hitting the water, or ditching and floating for however brief a time, becomes a 'vessel', and thus subject to admiralty law. This would give extraterritorial jurisdiction for crimes on vessels on the high seas -- high seas being outside the waters of any nation-state -- when the crime involves a national of the nation-state claiming jurisdiction, or the property interest of an individual national or entity of the nation-state.
Below is the United States claim to jurisdiction for any crime on a foreign-owned aircraft flying outside the airspace of the United States, where a United States national was on board.
In 1996, § 32(b) was expanded to encompass foreign aircraft where a national of the United States: (1) was on board the aircraft, or would have been on board the aircraft if it had taken off; or (2) was a perpetrator of the offense. This extraterritorial jurisdiction of 18 U.S.C. § 32(b) is comparable to that currently found in 49 U.S.C. 46502(b) (formerly 49 U.S.C.App. § 1472(n)) (aircraft piracy outside special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States), and 18 U.S.C. § 1116(c) (murder of internationally protected persons).
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There seems to be an indication that other flotsam was seen in the same position i.e. suitcase?
If any contents are found as opposed to external aircraft bits, then it will have implications as to what happened to the aircraft on ditching. The whole point of no debris or flotsam is that the aircraft remained (remains) intact.
If any contents are found as opposed to external aircraft bits, then it will have implications as to what happened to the aircraft on ditching. The whole point of no debris or flotsam is that the aircraft remained (remains) intact.
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Boombatz :
A brief description of BEA lab equipment and procedures:
Metallurgical examinations ..........
Very nice - just that it will not be BEA of Paris this time.... but DGA/CEAT at Toulouse, another government agency but a couple of notches higher(equivalent of NASA, if you prefer)
They are famous for doing structural tests of entire airframes (you have certainly seen the pictures one day)
A brief description of BEA lab equipment and procedures:
Metallurgical examinations ..........
Very nice - just that it will not be BEA of Paris this time.... but DGA/CEAT at Toulouse, another government agency but a couple of notches higher(equivalent of NASA, if you prefer)
They are famous for doing structural tests of entire airframes (you have certainly seen the pictures one day)
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Yes, but it could just be a suitcase someone dumped, I didn't see anything in the pictures that would make the owner easy to identify. Will take a lot of detective work to link the remains to MH370... though, if it is linked, the reported burn marks could indicate that there was a fire on board.
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Originally Posted by funfly
If any contents are found as opposed to external aircraft bits, then it will have implications as to what happened to the aircraft on ditching. The whole point of no debris or flotsam is that the aircraft remained (remains) intact.
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A random route that just happens to fly back overflying the captain's home town, the Thailand border then climb back up along the Malacca straights heading North, along the straights then left around the North of Sumatra then turn west then due South and set up a cruise at high level on South.
If you accept the odds of that I have a Kansas City Sea front condo to sell you...
A 777 when both engines are flamed out will fly a phugoid descent - this was ascertained by someone with time on a commercial 777 simulator. So it does not exceed VMO as it pitches up as speed increases then down when it reduces.
If you accept the odds of that I have a Kansas City Sea front condo to sell you...
A 777 when both engines are flamed out will fly a phugoid descent - this was ascertained by someone with time on a commercial 777 simulator. So it does not exceed VMO as it pitches up as speed increases then down when it reduces.
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How come the picture of the supposed suitcase does not show any algae/mussels/marine life on it? Had it floated for the same period as the flaperon, it should be as covered at least.