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High winds at Schipol. What a landing!

Old 27th Jul 2015, 02:52
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High winds at Schipol. What a landing!

KLM Boeing 777 plane banks sharply moments before Schiphol airport landing | Daily Mail Online


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Old 27th Jul 2015, 03:26
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Timing was everything in this one!
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 04:37
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Having flown the 77W in winds like that a few times myself and watching I can safely say some of that wing waggling would have been PIO. ( Pilot induced oscillations )
It's very easy to over control in those situations.

I think it looked a lot worse than it really was.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 07:05
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One of the things about Schipol is that they have a RWY to face every wind direction but you still always seem to be allocated the RWY with the most crosswind component... ;-)
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 07:21
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One of the things about Schipol is that they have a RWY to face every wind direction
But not all can be used for landing heavies!
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 08:10
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EXEPT winds from 320/40G50. Which was the case here. That is the worst wind direction you can throw at Schiphol. And once the airplane reaches "below treetop altitude" you can expect anything with that wind.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 08:24
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But not all can be used for landing heavies!
They can when its really blowing a gale. I've seen 777's land on 22 in high winds and I've seen 747's circle onto 24.

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Old 27th Jul 2015, 08:26
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This was KLM868 from Osaka. It did one go-around on RWY27 before the landing shown in the video.

Flight track: PH-BVB - Aircraft info and flight history - Flightradar24

TWR reported wind shortly before landing at RWY27: 300 deg, 33 knots, gusting 48.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 08:34
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Been there and done that! FBW aircraft (in my case Airbusses) have a different technique while hand flying in turbulent conditions. Very easy to over control. But, that's what we're paid to do. Looks like a smooth landing, though.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 08:47
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TWR reported wind shortly before landing at RWY27: 300 deg, 33 knots, gusting 48
So they had a crosswind component of 16 knots gusting 22 knots on rwy 27. As usual the daily snail making a drama out of a non event, the landing looked normal and fairly smooth, the previous go around was the normal application of sound airmanship.
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So they had a crosswind component of 16 knots gusting 22 knots on rwy 27. As usual the daily snail making a drama out of a non event, the landing looked normal and fairly smooth, the previous go around was the normal application of sound airmanship.
Crosswind wasn't the problem on RWY27, many flights made go-arounds or diverted because of windshear on short final.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 09:09
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I was watching the rudder at the moment of the low level right bank. It did not seem to have been 'stood on' - left - to the reduce the drift and then right aileron (perhaps too much) to keep wings level. Mother nature biting you with no warning. Like all ladies she needs gentle but firm handling. No back-chat.
It is surprising to see AMS (6 rwys) reduced to single operation by NW storms. It is more common than you might think and there are very few alternates in the region. EDDK Cologne is the only NW rwy. Most other rwys are more SW'ly and thus worse X-winds. Fuel in the tanks and a solid plan are essential on such days.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 10:12
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TWR reported wind shortly before landing at RWY27: 300 deg, 33 knots, gusting 48
So they had a crosswind component of 16 knots gusting 22 knots on rwy 27. As usual the daily snail making a drama out of a non event, the landing looked normal and fairly smooth, the previous go around was the normal application of sound airmanship.
At the previous mob I worked with, it's a FAIL if it was a sim proficiency check with landing in this fashion. The teledyne record will be replayed at your debriefing as to why you failed.

In the case, I wondered if it would show up in FOQA monitoring. Of cpurse there would be a lot of mitigating factors. Besides the 773 semi levered landing gear is very forgiving!
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 11:37
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@ACMS while the landing may be deemed good and a non issue form a piloting perspective, what about the poor fair (wage) paying pax in the back. I doubt they'd be anything other than delighted to be on the ground in one piece.

No I don't fly commercial stuff, just little GA stuff, so I do have an appreciation of what is going on when I'm in the back of a commercial cross-wind landing, but it's still not fun!!
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 14:40
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Yes, nicely flown and a great job.

Irrespective of the reported runway wind, was this a stable approach?

(Not a judgement, merely a question posed following the pathetic NTSB observations in relation to the Southwest 737 landing incident at LGA)
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 14:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M2fZ8CfDLk

Not the same day, not the same place, not the same exact situation, but this one went around.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 15:23
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Looked OK to me, and mostly under control. I suspect the 100'-50' lurch was mother nature: it was corrected and a/c touched down and what seemed, considering, a normal manner.
The EVA A332 was very different and a GREAT decision. I've only flown A320 in the sim; round the circuit. It was not intuitive in pitch or roll. I've flown some nasty weather in B737/757/767 and found it natural. I suspect the AB drivers will say that with practice you 'get the hang of it', but how often do you get to practice. I found I was almost having to think what to do and then do it, and this included remembering to centralise the stick. In the Boeing you can stir the pot to keep it stable. I doubt you can do that in the AB. I'd like to hear from AB guys their techniques. In the EVA case we do not know the experience of the crew, and by that I mean how many severe cross wind landings they ha done, not how many autoland/calm day manual landings or hours. How many times had you solved this problem already: that's the REAL experience.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 16:12
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I sat at CDG one day with a 38 knot wind from the south. Direct crosswind. All the Boeings landed well with no real drama. The Airbus landings were another story and two of the 6 went around. Now that I fly the bus I understand why.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 17:11
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AMS winds

I was on EZY 6291(from EDI) and it was indeed hairy but expertly handled never worried Skipper if you are reading this great job from one of your engineers.
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Old 27th Jul 2015, 17:42
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High winds at Schipol. What a landing!

Admittedly no experience with the 777 here but to my untrained eyes this one was way too close for comfort... Stabilised approach, really?!
Glad everyone walked away but surprised that it does not raise more concern...
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