Indonesian airliner skids off runway

[JammedStab]

This link has a list of any serious DC-10 accidents or incidents such as overruns. As you can see, the only Garuda DC-10 accident was in Fukuoka where a high speed reject was initiated after the start of rotation(yes, the nosegear was airborne) was done due to an engine failure(it was only the #2 engine).

Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Type index > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

[WingNut60]

Easy champ ...

Certainly did happen.
I can give a list of witnesses or a couple of evacuees if you prefer?

I have one reference to the incident DC-10-30 PK-GIB MSN 46919-226 - and replacement of WINGS and engines.
I'd be careful about using the registration number alone as Garuda / Indonesia tend to re-use numbers on occasion.
I remember the engine replacement but not the wings.

These repairs all happened on the apron at Hasanuddin - 100 metres from the old terminal - over about a 12 month period; maybe more.
A team of Douglas engineers identified and occupied most of the UP night spots for most of that period.
And all passengers walking out for boarding got a good, close-up look at progress.


That is why I find it so strange that there seems to be no real record of the event.
Maybe because no fatalities - just a couple of broken legs.
But if replacing wings and engines is correct then this should rate somewhere alongside the QF A380 incident for potential loss of life.

[JammedStab]

Thanks for the info. You can send any solid evidence of such an incident to this link from the earlier website I posted. Then it will be available to anyone. They are always keen for updates and accuracy.

Aviation Safety Network > About ASN > Contact

Frequently a government investigation agency will provide further info into past investigations which would be quite helpful if you could take the time to approach them.

Please keep us up to date.

[WingNut60]

Ujung Pandang DC-10 excursion

Aaah .... solid evidence. There's the rub.
Particularly when my note mentioned lack of records.

Other than having seen it and walked past it about 20 times myself, the "solid evidence" is what's missing.
Since it was in about 1980, that pre-dates cell phone cameras, selfies and the like.
I MAY have a photo or two somewhere but wouldn't guarantee it.
Anyone who worked at Soroako around that time would know about it, and our HR Manager was on it, as a passenger of course.

I'd have thought that Boeing (nee McDonnell Douglas) must have records but probably not too keen to share them, in case I want to blame my hip replacement on the long drop from the aft door.
And I doubt that the Indonesian authorities a) have such records OR b) are willing to share them.
Hopefully there is an MD engineer or two out there who remembers the case.

I also found this article: https://www.mail-archive.com/palanta.../msg05679.html

which says "Kecelakaan pesawat di Indonesia bukan hal baru. Lihat saja data berikut ini
berserta lokasi kejadiannya: Januari 1981, DC-10 Garuda tergelincir di Bandara
Ujung Pandang; 23 November 1992, DC-9 Garuda tergelincir di Jogjakarta ......, etc"


And from a blog site "Regulator Indonesia pernah meng-grounded enam armada pesawat badan lebar
DC-10 Garuda Indonesian Airways sekitar sebulan, menyusul kecelakaan DC-10
terperosok roda depannya di ujung landasan pacu Bandara Hasanuddin,
Makassar, awal tahun 1980-an."


Translates to :- The Indonesian regulator previously grounded a fleet of six wide-bodied DC-10 aircraft for approximately one month following an incident in which a DC-10 "blew a front tyre" (sic) at the end of the runway at Hasanuddin airport, at the beginning of the 80's"

[Greenlights]

pay to fly ?

[gerago]

How about this one?

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...-montreal.html

[Machinbird]

Nah,
Nothing exceptional about that one. They used a regular airstairs to deplane.
Which country has more air carrier flights on an annual basis? Indonesia or Canada? That would begin to provide a basis of comparison.

[Terry McCassey]

Curiosity now has the better of me. Can anyone confirm a 'wing' change on a DC10 occurred as suggested in the '80s. Such a task, even for an approved MRO of the time would have been a significant event and if this actually happened, I am surprised we heard nothing of it at the DC10 operator I worked for at the time. My caveat is, as always, I stand to be corrected.

[WingNut60]

Finally got the Flickr link to open

Terry McCassey : Try this link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/saints09/3961489187


After opening, wait for the comments from Chris Geddes to appear

I have good recollection of the event occurring, if not the exact detail.
I do remember the aircraft parked on the apron under the attention of the MD engineers for a long, long time.
If it occurred in January 1981 (and that fits) then it was definitely gone before May 1983.
I distinctly remember it without engines and have a very vague recollection of one wing being flown in.
Anecdote was that the 1 & 3 engines were detached in the incident though they may have just swallowed swamp water and rice.

The Indonesian links that I quoted seem to indicate that I am not the only person who knows about this incident.
But it now seems even more incredible that it doesn't appear on any of the "incident lists" for DC-10's globally.

[Heathrow Harry]

Found it!!! Listed in Flight's mid year accident list

1981 | 2336 | Flight Archive

Jan 12 1981 - Garuda DC-10-30 PK-GIB 11 crew +196 pax - ran off runway on landing. Substantial damage

[Terry McCassey]

WingNut/Harry - great find and thanks. I am not ready to sprinkle the salt and pepper on the hat, not just yet. Substantial repair on a wing can really mean anything. I had the pleasure of watching the Boeing field repair rebuild a technically scrapped B742F in Hong Kong and the job I am told, would not have been attempted without securing the aircraft in a hangar, levelled and secured. This was done in about 40 days and did not require any wing work so to attempt a substantial wing repair in the open, and keep it from prying eyes, still raises my interest. I guess some Google searching required.

Thanks of course, Terry

[Heathrow Harry]

appears to have gone to Continental afterwards and then back to Garuda......

[DaveReidUK]

Briefly leased to both COA and then MAS in the mid-late 80s.

[Super VC-10]

That accident at Ujung Padang seems to have been kept quiet from the press at the time. Had a search of The Times and the National Library of Singapore archives for 1982 and nothing showed up.

[standbykid]

Hang about. A WestJet 737 skids off at Montreal and there is one throw away reply. Indonesian aircraft does more or less the same thing and it's; "when will they learn?, not surprised", etc.

[WingNut60]

Not exactly correct

StandByKid : There were several very pointed replies.

One only left following "MODification"

[WingNut60]

UPG DC-10

Terry : No real alternative at that time

Hasanuddin was one paved runway and an unpaved cross-runway.
I flew out of that one in a Merpati F-27 as late as about 1997.
Certainly nowhere to hide a DC-10

I seem to remember being told that this WAS reported in Australia at the time - 12 Jan 1981.

Is this matter worth putting on a different thread somewhere?
I still have some contacts and opportunity to follow up for details / confirmation.

[Heathrow Harry]

Hasanuddin often has a large cloud over one end (the eastern, mountain end), where it is chucking it down and there are all sorts of wind changes and the other (western, seaward) end is in brilliant sunshine

I have a vague memory that some of our guys were delayed by this event for a day or two but it's a longgg time ago

and in the early 1980's Pres. Suharto and friends kept the Indonesian media on a very short leash

[punkalouver]

Originally Posted by standbykid

Hang about. A WestJet 737 skids off at Montreal and there is one throw away reply. Indonesian aircraft does more or less the same thing and it's; "when will they learn?, not surprised", etc.

Obviously it must be some sort of racism that appears to be hinted at in a couple of posts here. Yet I can find an example of similar for an Indonesian incident. Two replies to this overrun. Proving of course that no bigotry is involved, just reality.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...nway-indo.html

So the reality is that it is not surprising when there is another serious incident in Indonesia. One has to wonder why almost every airline in the country is banned from entering Europe.

Now one can choose denial and leap at the occasional incident in another country as some sort of indicator that the other country must therefore be just as bad or bring up the fact that some incident 35 years ago was captained by an expat(as was originally done on the other thread concerning an overrun in another country before the subject was repeated here and deleted there). But that just shows the depth of denial of the serious problem.

Here are some highlights from a recent NY Times article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/wo...fety.html?_r=0

"JAKARTA, Indonesia — When a team of United Nations auditors visited Jakarta in May to rate the country’s aviation safety, they came to a troubling conclusion: Indonesia was well below the global average in every category, and scored just 61 percent in airworthiness.

The audit reinforced the fact that Indonesia, which scored far worse than impoverished neighbors such as Laos and Myanmar, has a chronic problem with aviation safety."

"One symbol of its dismal aviation record is a mountain near Jakarta that has been the site of a half-dozen fatal crashes by planes large and small over the past dozen years."

"Insurance companies charge Indonesian airlines nearly double the global average for premiums per passenger because of their poor safety history. Airlines in only a handful of countries in Africa and Latin America pay more, while most other Asian carriers pay considerably less."
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"The European Union currently bars 62 Indonesian carriers from flying to Europe for safety reasons. That used to include the Indonesian subsidiary of AirAsia, but the European Union has cleared Garuda, Indonesia AirAsia and a few other carriers over the last several years as they have worked to improve safety."

"Yet Indonesia has long ranked at or near the top of every list of developing countries with an aviation safety problem. "

"It is one of nine countries currently listed as failing a safety assessment by the United States Federal Aviation Administration. (The other countries are Bangladesh, Barbados, Curaçao, Ghana, India, Nicaragua, Saint Martin and Uruguay.)"

[Global_Global]

The problem in Indonesia is not so much aviation but more the fact that corruption is everywhere... Everybody expects and is able to pay it's way. This combined with a racist society that rates itself very high and a culture that encourages to pay respect to the higher person (read in this case the captain) is a recipe for disaster...

So instead of embracing foreign knowledge and staff they have decided that Indonesians are the best even if they are not... and the persons that are doing the checking are willing to accept payments to pass people who should fail. Now dont get me wrong there are some excellent aviators and regulators in Indonesia but unfortunately they are a minority

This is the one country where I refuse to fly on any local airline...

Rant over