Indonesian airliner skids off runway
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Indonesian airliner skids off runway
Garuda Indonesia flight #GA618 from Jakarta overran runway on landing at Makassar Airport.
The Boeing 737-800 landed at Makassar Airport during severe thunderstorm.
ILS 13 at Makassar require a minimum visibility of 900m, METAR at/near time of #GA618 #PKGFA occurence was 500m in thunderstorm.
#GA618 flight was a Boeing 737-800 with 144 passengers and 8 crew members.
AirLive.net: BREAKING Garuda Indonesia #GA618 overran runway on landing at Makassar Airport, no injuries reported
The Boeing 737-800 landed at Makassar Airport during severe thunderstorm.
ILS 13 at Makassar require a minimum visibility of 900m, METAR at/near time of #GA618 #PKGFA occurence was 500m in thunderstorm.
#GA618 flight was a Boeing 737-800 with 144 passengers and 8 crew members.
AirLive.net: BREAKING Garuda Indonesia #GA618 overran runway on landing at Makassar Airport, no injuries reported
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Your Headline should read - ANOTHER INDONESIAN AIRLINER SKIDS OFF RUNWAY - honestly what is wrong with the Indonesian pilots, absolute disregard for safety, landing in severe thunderstorm conditions with reduced visibility, these guys grow up and train in conditions like that and yet can still screw it up royally
I`ve flown into Makassar on numerous occasions with heavy thunderstorm on finals and over the airfield, its simple, hold over the sea normally 20 - 25nm from the airfield for a short while and it will clear - wow that was hard
I`ve flown into Makassar on numerous occasions with heavy thunderstorm on finals and over the airfield, its simple, hold over the sea normally 20 - 25nm from the airfield for a short while and it will clear - wow that was hard
Garuda Indonesia flight #GA618 from Jakarta overran runway on landing at Makassar Airport.
The Boeing 737-800 landed at Makassar Airport during severe thunderstorm.
The Boeing 737-800 landed at Makassar Airport during severe thunderstorm.
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LOL !! Do you know how much it costs if you deploy the emergency slides? Garuda does !!
Clever.
1/ yet another Indonesian Jet lands in a heavy rain event and fails to stop in the LDA.......either they need to stop landing in heavy rain or they need to groove the runways ( preferably both )
2/ they decide not to use the slide ( fair enough ) but use a ladder????? Surely a mobile set of steps are available at that Airport???? They had a bus there to take the pax away.
The mind boggles again.....
2/ they decide not to use the slide ( fair enough ) but use a ladder????? Surely a mobile set of steps are available at that Airport???? They had a bus there to take the pax away.
The mind boggles again.....
Last edited by ACMS; 3rd Jun 2015 at 06:08.
That ladder is at an unsafe angle - should be more vertical than that.
Is the bottom of the ladder chocked? Top of ladder lashed?
Absolute culpable stupidity.
Is the bottom of the ladder chocked? Top of ladder lashed?
Absolute culpable stupidity.
Just what facts do you know about the crew and/or this incident to come to this judgement?
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For those interested as to WHY the landing may have been attempted, i'd recommended having a read of Mandala999's post on this (spotters) website.
GA618 Overruns Runway At UPG — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
(Note Gerry is a well respected analyst on Indonesian aviation).
I find comments like this not at all surprising:
GA618 Overruns Runway At UPG — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
(Note Gerry is a well respected analyst on Indonesian aviation).
I find comments like this not at all surprising:
It is also alleged that a Garuda crew has been grounded due to going around somewhere to avoid a Silk Air jet that was still on the runway. The grounding came as an instruction from the minister after he received an SMS from a pax on the Garuda jet. Whilst we do not know how true this is, pilots in Garuda are greatly disturbed by this and is the hot topic of discussion amongst them.
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Ladder angled for comfort and convenience
It seems that the ladder has been angled to let the passengers step directly onto the asphalt and keep their shoes clean. If it was steeper, it would require walking in mud. Which would be messy and inconvenient when disembarking from an aircraft that has run off the side of a runway. Creative customer service!!
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Right, I've been searching for a thread so this one can be tied up, but cannot find, so putting this here.
Some people may remember the strange story of an Indonesian governor who was so furious that he was unable to get on a fully booked Merpati flight from Bajawa to Kupang he ordered his staff to blockade the runway for two hours before the circling plane had no option but to return whence it came.
Anyway, full justice has been served yesterday, with authorities coming down on hard on the governor and his staff that blockaded the runway -
Court Hands Down Suspended Sentences in Runway Blockade Case - The Jakarta Globe
Spoiler - no charges against governor, his staff fined 38 cents (US).
Some people may remember the strange story of an Indonesian governor who was so furious that he was unable to get on a fully booked Merpati flight from Bajawa to Kupang he ordered his staff to blockade the runway for two hours before the circling plane had no option but to return whence it came.
Anyway, full justice has been served yesterday, with authorities coming down on hard on the governor and his staff that blockaded the runway -
Court Hands Down Suspended Sentences in Runway Blockade Case - The Jakarta Globe
Spoiler - no charges against governor, his staff fined 38 cents (US).
Last edited by flowerseller; 7th Jun 2015 at 01:19.
Paulus705, I share your frustration (#7) Unfortunately it follows from the human condition, which we would hope that professionals can put aside – avoid hindsight, have a willingness to learn, have an understanding of human behaviour, and avoid complacency – (it won’t happen to me).
“We are a culture without the will to seriously examine our own problems. We eschew that which is complex, contradictory or confusing. As culture, we seek simple solutions. We enjoy being provoked and titillated, but resist the rigorous, painstaking examination of issues that might, in the end, bring us to the point of recognizing our problems, which is the essential first step to solving any of them”. (David Simon)
And from the reports above, this culture can also be found in management.
“We are a culture without the will to seriously examine our own problems. We eschew that which is complex, contradictory or confusing. As culture, we seek simple solutions. We enjoy being provoked and titillated, but resist the rigorous, painstaking examination of issues that might, in the end, bring us to the point of recognizing our problems, which is the essential first step to solving any of them”. (David Simon)
And from the reports above, this culture can also be found in management.
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Bags to go
Hobby horse of mine, I know, but the pax were evacuating by ladder with cabin baggage on their backs. This is an unstoppable human reaction in the absence of a direct threat to life. The lovely Garuda cabin steward with the brolly clearly has no concerns about this.
The emergency evacuation instructions in this respect are never ever followed, and understandably so.
The emergency evacuation instructions in this respect are never ever followed, and understandably so.
DC-10 excursion - UPG 1980
Reply to JammedStab from thread for Montreal excursion.
Current incident was on old runway 13 (2500 m) and aircraft was 2nd to land following or during reported thunderstorm.
Certainly lots of water about.
Does anyone remember the GA DC-10 that ran off the same runway at UPG (Hasanuddin) in about 1980 with a senior KLM secondee at the helm and sat for about a year while Douglas engineers put the missing engines back on?
Can find no record via Google.
Aircraft landed long and bounced during torrential downpour of type frequent to that airport.
Sat without No 1 & 3 for a long time. They (I think) became detached when the nose wheel collapsed or sunk into the paddy.
The only injuries were from evacuation from rear door where the slide only went half way to the ground.
Strange that this relatively serious incident gets no mention anywhere - or not that I can find.
Current incident was on old runway 13 (2500 m) and aircraft was 2nd to land following or during reported thunderstorm.
Certainly lots of water about.
Does anyone remember the GA DC-10 that ran off the same runway at UPG (Hasanuddin) in about 1980 with a senior KLM secondee at the helm and sat for about a year while Douglas engineers put the missing engines back on?
Can find no record via Google.
Aircraft landed long and bounced during torrential downpour of type frequent to that airport.
Sat without No 1 & 3 for a long time. They (I think) became detached when the nose wheel collapsed or sunk into the paddy.
The only injuries were from evacuation from rear door where the slide only went half way to the ground.
Strange that this relatively serious incident gets no mention anywhere - or not that I can find.
Last edited by WingNut60; 7th Jun 2015 at 00:34.
