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In all fairness, we lite pukes have some neat stuff besides the EGPWS/GPWS
I always liked my terrain following radar mode and coupled with the projected map display with INS and a doppler backup. This was back in 1972 and you can guess what jet it was ( single seat, single engine).
The recent incident is the first one I have seen about a false warning. I guess there are many that are not reported of recorded.
I always liked my terrain following radar mode and coupled with the projected map display with INS and a doppler backup. This was back in 1972 and you can guess what jet it was ( single seat, single engine).
The recent incident is the first one I have seen about a false warning. I guess there are many that are not reported of recorded.
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There is some discussion about EGPWS but for the sake of completeness, there is a "caution terrain" call first, serving as a crude wakeup call.
Giving you a little bit more time to react.
Giving you a little bit more time to react.
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Ah Air France encore! Quelle surprise!!
With this AF flight, probably add ATC and other African-relevant issues.
It makes me wonder that mainly AF issues are commonly reported and dissected on this board. I find it hard to believe that other operators fly incident free. I wonder how freely BA, LH and others report compared to AF.
I wonder how freely BA, LH and others report compared to AF
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I am aware of the ASR reporting scheme in the UK, the question is, how public is this information? I had a tech issue on t/o when I worked contract in the UK (which triggered a MoR), but I was never able to access this incident.
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Depends on if the accident investigators look into it or CAA publishes it. More to do with the government.
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So I suppose the number of incidents happening at airline XYZ and making it or leaking to a website like Aviation Herald is in government hands?
If so, that would be an interesting way to correct (or punish) a statistic.
If so, that would be an interesting way to correct (or punish) a statistic.
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leaking to a website like Aviation Herald
This transparncy does not exist ( yet or anymore) in many other Countries, most probably caused by some stupid news headlines that uninformed journalist deduct from reading those bulletins. These journalists have not yet realised that this is detrimental to safety as a whole.
Air France probably has more incident reports than other airlines because its pilots are very well protected with a very strong Pilot union that will ensure nobody will be undue penalised as a result of an incident report. This is also definitively not the case in all airlines .
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ATC Watcher:
I infer that you are implying that they will someday realize such reporting is detrimental to safety as a whole.
I don't think so.
These journalists have not yet realised that this is detrimental to safety as a whole.
I don't think so.
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Of course not, I meant reporting those events in the general media with the sensational headlines are detrimental, not the incident reporting scheme ..
But you are right I realise my sentence could have been understood both ways, well I hope it is clear now, Thanks for pointing that up ..
such reporting is detrimental to safety as a whole.
But you are right I realise my sentence could have been understood both ways, well I hope it is clear now, Thanks for pointing that up ..
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I posted on this issue two weeks ago, wrote of local knowledge and was correctly shot down by olbie.
I would only add that I have been flying this route on and off for decades and have never seen the mountain owing to cloud cover and/or poor visibility. Until the other day. A rare CAVU event revealed Mt Cameroon in all her glory, and it came as a shock to realize just how close she is to the track between Malabo and Douala.
This is one of those places where the chart annotations do not convey the stark reality.
I still feel for those AF pilots.
Apologies to any feminists among the readers.
I would only add that I have been flying this route on and off for decades and have never seen the mountain owing to cloud cover and/or poor visibility. Until the other day. A rare CAVU event revealed Mt Cameroon in all her glory, and it came as a shock to realize just how close she is to the track between Malabo and Douala.
This is one of those places where the chart annotations do not convey the stark reality.
I still feel for those AF pilots.
Apologies to any feminists among the readers.
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DunePrune:
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Some carriers share your concerns and pay Jeppesen to enhance their airway manual. Here is a snippet of a tailored "RNAV STAR Overview" for FKKD:
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I would only add that I have been flying this route on and off for decades and have never seen the mountain owing to cloud cover and/or poor visibility. Until the other day. A rare CAVU event revealed Mt Cameroon in all her glory, and it came as a shock to realize just how close she is to the track between Malabo and Douala.
This is one of those places where the chart annotations do not convey the stark reality.
This is one of those places where the chart annotations do not convey the stark reality.