Noise, Parliament and Manchester
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Bill the Coach
<<<Now some will argue I have a vested interest as I am in the aviation
industry but none of my neighbours (all of whom are not) are bothered by
aircraft departing off 24.>>>
<<<I don't hear the good citizens of Woodford or Poynton screaming as loud as those in Mobberley ! >>>
Well they would not be, would they
Since when has Poynton been anywhere near 24L or R departure SIDs?
Whereas Mobberley and Knutsford lie immediately underneath the runway
centrelines. And if it is a certain green curry 747 you even have to duck
<<<Now some will argue I have a vested interest as I am in the aviation
industry but none of my neighbours (all of whom are not) are bothered by
aircraft departing off 24.>>>
<<<I don't hear the good citizens of Woodford or Poynton screaming as loud as those in Mobberley ! >>>
Well they would not be, would they
Since when has Poynton been anywhere near 24L or R departure SIDs?
Whereas Mobberley and Knutsford lie immediately underneath the runway
centrelines. And if it is a certain green curry 747 you even have to duck
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I just wish all these twats who keep trying to cap the airports would just shut thier holes and crawl back into the house they bought. They cant believe that the airports were going to get less busy did they. The goverment, if it wants to do something useful, bold and dynamic, should buy the houses and turn them into an exclusion zone - sublet to gypsies. The should also doa compulsary purchase of land ajacent to LHR and built a new runway as well as T5.
Screw the NIMBY's
Screw the NIMBY's
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Rockwell, Poynton lies under 06 departures and can get as much noise as Knutsford allegedly does so I think the complaints could be just as vociferous.
I am inclined to agree with Onan that the good burghers of Mobberley believe that their house prices are driven down by the second runway.
I spoke with a builder yesterday who is selling identical houses in Alderley Edge and Northwich and there is £100,000 difference for the same design !
I am inclined to agree with Onan that the good burghers of Mobberley believe that their house prices are driven down by the second runway.
I spoke with a builder yesterday who is selling identical houses in Alderley Edge and Northwich and there is £100,000 difference for the same design !
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As I said in a yonks earlier post, A lady DELIBERATELY bought her house on [very] short finals to MAN/EGCC, 'cos "She likes aeroplanes". Good for her. As to house prices Bill, snob value mate. Same here Town, £xx "County Set", add two or three naughts.
To get back to this thread. Noise, per se HAS diminished..No Tridents. Less Ba111/B727 and B737 200 series.
As Bunny Gunson says, it's blo*dy hard to hide an airport.
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
To get back to this thread. Noise, per se HAS diminished..No Tridents. Less Ba111/B727 and B737 200 series.
As Bunny Gunson says, it's blo*dy hard to hide an airport.
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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Clearly someone has noticed that airports are noisy.
They are so let's close them.
Have you ever been stationary by a motorway?
What a racket!
Let's close them!
Do we want commerce or silence?
The aviation industry is continually under pressure to reduce noise, and rightly so, but what is the alternative?
Is there a serious suggestion that we should stop travelling?
Most modern aircraft are not all that annoying.
What I would ban, if I were ruler of the Universe, is the B737-200.
Are you listening MOL?
They are so let's close them.
Have you ever been stationary by a motorway?
What a racket!
Let's close them!
Do we want commerce or silence?
The aviation industry is continually under pressure to reduce noise, and rightly so, but what is the alternative?
Is there a serious suggestion that we should stop travelling?
Most modern aircraft are not all that annoying.
What I would ban, if I were ruler of the Universe, is the B737-200.
Are you listening MOL?
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Well said Chiglet! I used to live by Outer Marker of 24R. The only one you missed off your list was the VC10 Duck Of Iron. Magnificent but hardly comparable in nuisance terms with 777/330s etc. Anyone under the age of 60 who complains about aircraft noise near an airport should be politely ignored!
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Porkey, et al
I used to live in Denton [6 mile final 24] not a dual r/w in sught. When MAN/EGCC were on 06! I was "just after" noise abatement, so the Ba111s/B737s and DanAir B727s we knew ALL about them. BUT, we lived near a busy airport! That I worked there [at the airport] was immaterial [have I spelled that right?] ( spell check please, Danny!) As I have REPEATEDLY said, noise is not [really] an issiue
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
I used to live in Denton [6 mile final 24] not a dual r/w in sught. When MAN/EGCC were on 06! I was "just after" noise abatement, so the Ba111s/B737s and DanAir B727s we knew ALL about them. BUT, we lived near a busy airport! That I worked there [at the airport] was immaterial [have I spelled that right?] ( spell check please, Danny!) As I have REPEATEDLY said, noise is not [really] an issiue
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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I fly into and out of Manchester on a regular basis for PIA and as mentioned by SHOTONE my airline seems to have quite a few noise and track violations.Not wanting to make excuses here are my observations.The aircrafts are all 747classics,without all the modern day gismos.The navigation systems on board are LTN92 which are not approved for SID/STARS.The take off weight for east and west bound flights are between 330 to 350 tons with V2 at 173 to 179 kts.The departures that we follow are wallasey or stock both of which are based at 180kts,so you can see flying V2+10 you will get a track violation.I am also not surprised that the other airline having the same problum are Virgin as they operate a B747-200(calipso queen) out of MAN.These are problums I dont expect a person flying a EMB 145 or Airbus A-320 to understand as they have no idea what a 747 at 350 tons at V2+10 handles like but let me tell you gentlemen it aint a rabbit.
As far as SHOTONEs comment about th DOs not doing anything about it ,NOT TRUE ,if your name is on that flight that had a violation you get to see the very unhappy Chief pilot Training in person.Personally speaking I wish we could go back to Shannon.
As far as SHOTONEs comment about th DOs not doing anything about it ,NOT TRUE ,if your name is on that flight that had a violation you get to see the very unhappy Chief pilot Training in person.Personally speaking I wish we could go back to Shannon.
