Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Germany
Age: 57
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Right now Germanwings press conference
First Officer was trained 2008 by Lufthansa in Bremen and Phoenix
Followed by 11 month working in the cabin before getting F/O position
First Officer was trained 2008 by Lufthansa in Bremen and Phoenix
Followed by 11 month working in the cabin before getting F/O position
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: firmly on dry land
Age: 80
Posts: 1,541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Heathrow Harry, hotel safes have one time codes. Set to lock, set to unlock, next time you can set differently.
Exit flight deck, code lock door: return, unlock, job done (or job done first
)
Exit flight deck, code lock door: return, unlock, job done (or job done first
)
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 2,995
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Was it ever mentioned in the press conference wether the sound of the cockpit door access system was heard? It makes a lot of noise when someone from the outside requests entry. You should also clearly hear the access being denied. Or do Lufthansa/Germanwings utilize a different system?
They did mention knocking on the door..
They did mention knocking on the door..
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's not about locking flight deck doors it's about suicidal pilots. At certain stages of any flight a deranged pilot will achieve his aim no matter how many are on the flight deck.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: ESSL
Age: 78
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
On a FR flight from TFS to NYO a few weeks ago when either pilot needed to take a leak, seat belt lights on, no cabin service and cc sits in the cockpit. That makes sure the forward toilet is clear and the CC in the cockpit can open door for returning pilot or call him in case PIC is incapacitated. If the airline that legacy carriers love to denigrate can do this, why not all airlines. I expect new JAR regs asap.
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Asia
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can't help but feel had someone been positioned in the FD during the Captains absence things would've been different... If not to let him back in, then to at least have given the solo pilot less of a feeling of opportunity..
Gutted... Totally gutted...
Gutted... Totally gutted...
Last edited by aeo; 26th Mar 2015 at 13:49. Reason: typo.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What we need are highly trained cabin crew dedicated to passenger safety and comfort rather than trolley dollies selling scratch cards and trying to extract the last euro out of every pax. Two on the flight deck at all times during flight should be a mandatory requirement.
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Lufthansa CEO just explained that there is indeed a code that can be input to open the cockpit door from the outside but that this can be overridden/denied by the officer inside the cockpit. Either the Pilot forgot or didn't enter the code, which Lufthansa CEO cannot believe, or each attempt was overridden by the co-pilot.
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: uk
Posts: 905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Interesting discrepancy just being reported at a news conference being held by Germanwings right now.
They are saying the Captain did not enter the emergency code to open the door and there was no immediate explanation as to why.
I wonder if the door locking system was u/s. Not unusual for them to fail and go into the deferred defects.
They are saying the Captain did not enter the emergency code to open the door and there was no immediate explanation as to why.
I wonder if the door locking system was u/s. Not unusual for them to fail and go into the deferred defects.
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Europe
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Supervision system for aeronautical professionals
Without entering into speculation over the cause of the accident.
A while ago I met a lady from Australia who told me she was a "Supervisor". I didn't know what that was and she explained that supervisors are working on an indivual basis to help professionals in their fields to remain goal orientated and sane - someone they can always, and regularly have to turn to, to keep the needles 'in the green'. She also said it's a very established system in the medical professions, where it is obligatory. She was paid by the employers but maintained strict confidentiality towards her individual clients.
The lady was absolutely stunned to hear that, in my experience, there was no such system present in aviation.
It is truly remarkable that we have such elaborate schemes for maintenance and the verification of our technical skills, but no system such as supervision to help us with the psychological challenges of our work and lives.
A while ago I met a lady from Australia who told me she was a "Supervisor". I didn't know what that was and she explained that supervisors are working on an indivual basis to help professionals in their fields to remain goal orientated and sane - someone they can always, and regularly have to turn to, to keep the needles 'in the green'. She also said it's a very established system in the medical professions, where it is obligatory. She was paid by the employers but maintained strict confidentiality towards her individual clients.
The lady was absolutely stunned to hear that, in my experience, there was no such system present in aviation.
It is truly remarkable that we have such elaborate schemes for maintenance and the verification of our technical skills, but no system such as supervision to help us with the psychological challenges of our work and lives.
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: N/A
Age: 64
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
He was due a 40% wage decrease. - Well said Russell in Post 1230.
Folks - Note a 40% decrease in wages.
So that the public in Europe (and elsewhere) can fly around for the price of a pair of Jeans.
Folks - Note a 40% decrease in wages.
So that the public in Europe (and elsewhere) can fly around for the price of a pair of Jeans.
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: space
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
About automatic planes -
I would not trust a fully automatic plane - someone could tamper with the computers and aircrafts are more mobile and harder to secure against unauthorised access than the nuclear plant from your example . Unfortunately there is little to do in this matter , maybe just a vote machine to the pax to open the door . Will not stop a determined individual to do something on approach / takeoff but it will prevent him crashing into a city or a nuclear plant for example .
I would not trust a fully automatic plane - someone could tamper with the computers and aircrafts are more mobile and harder to secure against unauthorised access than the nuclear plant from your example . Unfortunately there is little to do in this matter , maybe just a vote machine to the pax to open the door . Will not stop a determined individual to do something on approach / takeoff but it will prevent him crashing into a city or a nuclear plant for example .
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Jersey
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lufthansa chairman and CEO Carsten Spohr tells a news conference in Cologne that staff at the airline, and those at its subsidiary Germanwings, are "absolutely speechless" and "deeply shocked" at the news of the co-pilot's actions. "I would not have been able to imagine that the situation could get even worse," he adds.
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
They didn't say that, they said they didn't know if he'd tried to enter the code.
Now in the French PC they did not say they heard the buzzer that goes off when such a code is entered...
Now in the French PC they did not say they heard the buzzer that goes off when such a code is entered...
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Germany
Age: 57
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
F/O started training with Lufthansa in 2008. In this press conference the Lufthansa CEO now states that his training was interrupted for some time. Reasons for this break he can't share (protecting privacy?)
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 593
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
regarding 2 pilots
The presence of both pilots will not stop one of them from incapacitating the other (fire ax) etc and still committing suicide. It is the armored door that allows pilot suicide. We don't know for a fact that the door has prevented others from taking over the aircraft but we do know in fact that it has allowed pilots to kill hundreds of innocents while taking their own lives. it almost seems that the door must be eliminated or that we have to go back to 3 person cockpits that would require the presence of 3 people at all times.
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: N/A
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Superpilot
Reasons for committing suicide:
1. Loss of dearest loved one
2. De-debilitating disease
3. Extreme physical pain
4. Ideological reasons
5. Financial hardship (huge loans, low pay in comparison, no way seen out of the mess).
Which one would you most associated with an otherwise talented young German First Officer?
Reasons for committing suicide:
1. Loss of dearest loved one
2. De-debilitating disease
3. Extreme physical pain
4. Ideological reasons
5. Financial hardship (huge loans, low pay in comparison, no way seen out of the mess).
Which one would you most associated with an otherwise talented young German First Officer?
Certainly in the bizjet world paying for your own rating or training is thankfully rare as often the end result is usually no chance of getting a job.
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Interesting discrepancy just being reported at a news conference being held by Germanwings right now.
They are saying the Captain did not enter the emergency code to open the door and there was no immediate explanation as to why.
I wonder if the door locking system was u/s. Not unusual for them to fail and go into the deferred defects.
They are saying the Captain did not enter the emergency code to open the door and there was no immediate explanation as to why.
I wonder if the door locking system was u/s. Not unusual for them to fail and go into the deferred defects.
