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Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France

Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:41
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Right now Germanwings press conference
First Officer was trained 2008 by Lufthansa in Bremen and Phoenix
Followed by 11 month working in the cabin before getting F/O position
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:43
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Heathrow Harry, hotel safes have one time codes. Set to lock, set to unlock, next time you can set differently.

Exit flight deck, code lock door: return, unlock, job done (or job done first )
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:43
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Was it ever mentioned in the press conference wether the sound of the cockpit door access system was heard? It makes a lot of noise when someone from the outside requests entry. You should also clearly hear the access being denied. Or do Lufthansa/Germanwings utilize a different system?

They did mention knocking on the door..
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:43
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630 hours since 2008?
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:44
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It's not about locking flight deck doors it's about suicidal pilots. At certain stages of any flight a deranged pilot will achieve his aim no matter how many are on the flight deck.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:45
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On a FR flight from TFS to NYO a few weeks ago when either pilot needed to take a leak, seat belt lights on, no cabin service and cc sits in the cockpit. That makes sure the forward toilet is clear and the CC in the cockpit can open door for returning pilot or call him in case PIC is incapacitated. If the airline that legacy carriers love to denigrate can do this, why not all airlines. I expect new JAR regs asap.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:45
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Can't help but feel had someone been positioned in the FD during the Captains absence things would've been different... If not to let him back in, then to at least have given the solo pilot less of a feeling of opportunity..

Gutted... Totally gutted...

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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:45
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What we need are highly trained cabin crew dedicated to passenger safety and comfort rather than trolley dollies selling scratch cards and trying to extract the last euro out of every pax. Two on the flight deck at all times during flight should be a mandatory requirement.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:46
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The Lufthansa CEO just explained that there is indeed a code that can be input to open the cockpit door from the outside but that this can be overridden/denied by the officer inside the cockpit. Either the Pilot forgot or didn't enter the code, which Lufthansa CEO cannot believe, or each attempt was overridden by the co-pilot.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:47
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Interesting discrepancy just being reported at a news conference being held by Germanwings right now.
They are saying the Captain did not enter the emergency code to open the door and there was no immediate explanation as to why.
I wonder if the door locking system was u/s. Not unusual for them to fail and go into the deferred defects.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:47
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Supervision system for aeronautical professionals

Without entering into speculation over the cause of the accident.

A while ago I met a lady from Australia who told me she was a "Supervisor". I didn't know what that was and she explained that supervisors are working on an indivual basis to help professionals in their fields to remain goal orientated and sane - someone they can always, and regularly have to turn to, to keep the needles 'in the green'. She also said it's a very established system in the medical professions, where it is obligatory. She was paid by the employers but maintained strict confidentiality towards her individual clients.

The lady was absolutely stunned to hear that, in my experience, there was no such system present in aviation.

It is truly remarkable that we have such elaborate schemes for maintenance and the verification of our technical skills, but no system such as supervision to help us with the psychological challenges of our work and lives.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:48
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He was due a 40% wage decrease. - Well said Russell in Post 1230.


Folks - Note a 40% decrease in wages.


So that the public in Europe (and elsewhere) can fly around for the price of a pair of Jeans.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:48
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630 hours since 2008?
Facts are a bit too little to say that. It could be 630 hours on type, but if it would be 630 hours total I second the question mark.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:48
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About automatic planes -
I would not trust a fully automatic plane - someone could tamper with the computers and aircrafts are more mobile and harder to secure against unauthorised access than the nuclear plant from your example . Unfortunately there is little to do in this matter , maybe just a vote machine to the pax to open the door . Will not stop a determined individual to do something on approach / takeoff but it will prevent him crashing into a city or a nuclear plant for example .
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:49
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Lufthansa chairman and CEO Carsten Spohr tells a news conference in Cologne that staff at the airline, and those at its subsidiary Germanwings, are "absolutely speechless" and "deeply shocked" at the news of the co-pilot's actions. "I would not have been able to imagine that the situation could get even worse," he adds.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:49
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They didn't say that, they said they didn't know if he'd tried to enter the code.

Now in the French PC they did not say they heard the buzzer that goes off when such a code is entered...
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:49
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F/O started training with Lufthansa in 2008. In this press conference the Lufthansa CEO now states that his training was interrupted for some time. Reasons for this break he can't share (protecting privacy?)
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:49
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regarding 2 pilots

The presence of both pilots will not stop one of them from incapacitating the other (fire ax) etc and still committing suicide. It is the armored door that allows pilot suicide. We don't know for a fact that the door has prevented others from taking over the aircraft but we do know in fact that it has allowed pilots to kill hundreds of innocents while taking their own lives. it almost seems that the door must be eliminated or that we have to go back to 3 person cockpits that would require the presence of 3 people at all times.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:49
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Superpilot

Reasons for committing suicide:

1. Loss of dearest loved one
2. De-debilitating disease
3. Extreme physical pain
4. Ideological reasons
5. Financial hardship (huge loans, low pay in comparison, no way seen out of the mess).
Which one would you most associated with an otherwise talented young German First Officer?
Well I fly in the corporate bizjet world and looking from the outside inwards number 5 has been generated in most airlines with pay2fly schemes, maybe the bean counters and senior management need to take a long hard think about the future recruitment processes.
Certainly in the bizjet world paying for your own rating or training is thankfully rare as often the end result is usually no chance of getting a job.
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Old 26th Mar 2015, 13:49
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Interesting discrepancy just being reported at a news conference being held by Germanwings right now.
They are saying the Captain did not enter the emergency code to open the door and there was no immediate explanation as to why.
I wonder if the door locking system was u/s. Not unusual for them to fail and go into the deferred defects.
See my reply earlier - that's not what I believe was just said. I speak German fairly well.
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