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Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France

Old 24th Apr 2015, 22:33
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BEA plans A320 flight to validate Germanwings CVR data

FlightGlobal -- Investigators will conduct a flight with an Airbus A320 to validate sounds picked up by the cockpit voice recorder of the Germanwings aircraft that crashed in the French Alps on 24 March. ...

The aim is not to simulate events on board that aircraft before it crashed, says BEA. Instead, the investigators want to ensure that the sounds of selector knobs and switches being used – as recorded by the CVR on the Germanwings flight – can be precisely attributed to specific controls in the cockpit.
Some interesting details:

[German transport ministry Alexander Dobrindt] says the co-pilot's capacity to act throughout the descent has been "fully proven". FDR data shows that the first officer not only changed the altimeter and speed settings several times but also "actively used the control organ [sidestick]" during this period, he says.

"These three elements are verifiable on the FDR and thus [make] conclusively clear that the co-pilot intervened several times consciously to bring that aircraft to a crash," he says.
The article also states that a preliminary report will be published "within weeks".
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 11:04
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SBS Dateline, 8,30pm Sunday 26th
Are our planes safe?
Examines the recent German Wings tragedy.

Should be available to watch soon on SBS on Demand
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 11:34
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Should be available to watch soon on SBS on Demand
Dateline Presents: Are Our Planes Safe? | Current Affairs | Dateline | SBS

"Due to publishing rights, the content you are trying to watch is currently not available outside of Australia".
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 11:48
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It was a doco by ITN Productions for Channel 4's Dispatches programme with Matt Frei,so it's probably already been on in the UK.

Here:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/h...mand/61713-001
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Old 26th Apr 2015, 12:08
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Ah, you're right - they appear to have changed the title from "How Safe Are Our Planes?" to "Are Our Planes Safe?" to make it easier for Australians.

Viewable on YouTube.
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 02:20
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FAA questioned mental health of Germanwings pilot

FAA questioned mental health of Germanwings pilot - CNNPolitics.com
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Old 6th May 2015, 08:47
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Co-Pilot practised rapid descent

Varies news agencies reporting today that the Co-Pilot practised rapid descent on the outbound flight to Barcelona. Data from flight recorder.
Germanwings crash: Co-pilot Lubitz 'practised rapid descent' - BBC News
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Old 6th May 2015, 08:54
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Practice?

Sounds a bit strange.
- A pilot knows how to descend without practising it on a cruise flight
- Was he alone in the cockpit? If not what did the captain do about it?
- What did ATC say about it?
We'd better wait until the BBC gets its facts sorted out...
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Old 6th May 2015, 09:04
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If that happened, how did the Captain not say or respond the first time, or did he?
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Old 6th May 2015, 10:09
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FlightRadar24 has published the altitude profile of the previous GermanWings flight. Here: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...85345457209345
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Old 6th May 2015, 10:14
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Preliminary Report, May 6 2015

http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2015/d-px...x150324.en.pdf
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Old 6th May 2015, 10:41
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If that happened, how did the Captain not say or respond the first time, or did he?
Detailed in the report, but Capt was not on Flt Deck.

In fact, the descent was ATC instructed and flown normally, the "practice" was just the selection of 100' (and other incorrect values) on the FCU for periods of time as I read it.

Not much new I saw in the Prelim Report, but a useful summary of the current factual status.
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Old 6th May 2015, 11:30
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Quick question regarding security camera...page 24 of the report says:


'Parts from the cockpit (access door to the cockpit, sidestick, security camera) were also found in the upper part of the site.'


Is this something that's been referred to previously?
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:00
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Medical aspects: the investigation will seek to understand the current balance
between medical confidentiality and flight safety. It will specifically aim to explain
how and why pilots can be in a cockpit with the intention of causing the loss of
the aircraft and its occupants, despite the existence of:

regulations setting mandatory medical criteria for flight crews, especially in the
areas of psychiatry, psychology and behavioural problems;

recruitment policies, as well as the initial and recurrent training processes
within airlines.
This aspect of the investigation will raise the bar for aircrew who have suffered 'depression' or similar problems. I could see this being the subject of EASA ruling probably leading to worldwide regulation changes.
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:23
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He was probably seeing what response there would be from ATC to an incorrect alt selection.
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:25
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BBC news just now,

When asked to change height by ATC, investigation shows he dialed in mutiple heights from 100 ft 49,000 ft, but did not activate them

Ie F24 would not show it.

Unfortunatley I could hear but not see the TV, and they appeared to show a graphic of "him" turning a dial" sure it makes sense to pilots.

The captain was not in the cockpit at the time, and they clearly stated no one on board would have sensed any change of height ( there wasn't one), he practiced turning a dial!!

possibly as per post above by Hoppy to see ATC reaction.

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Old 6th May 2015, 12:41
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Is it not possible that rather than practising he was going to crash the aircraft but could not go through with it?
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Old 6th May 2015, 12:57
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He was probably seeing what response there would be from ATC to an incorrect alt selection.
Some ATC sites allow the controller to see the selected altitude in the ADS-B data but many do not from what I've read here on other threads.

I've been quizzed by a Chinese controller about a metric RVSM altitude in the window but perhaps he was checking the QNE mode C readout after level off rather than selected altitude from ADS-B.

Would the Germanwings A320 send out ADS-B data about the selected altitude and would the controllers be able to see it in this case? Anybody know?
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Old 6th May 2015, 13:18
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Is it not possible that rather than practising he was going to crash the aircraft but could not go through with it?
This was my thought too.
The change of attitude in his responses to an arrival brief that was noted right back at the beginning of the thread may have been when he decided to actually do it.

These were the first two flights after his period off duty during which it seems his girlfriend/fiancee had said she would leave.
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Old 6th May 2015, 13:45
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Is it also possible that this captain had a habit of leaving the cockpit? Is it normal to do so on both legs of a short trip?
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