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Airbus A320 crashed in Southern France

Old 31st Mar 2015, 16:12
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I haven't yet seen the recovered shell of the FDR; so two possibilities for the storage media and data capsule:
  1. Data capsule intact with or without outer cover on -- being cylindrical it could be a long way downhill if not trapped in debris. Rainfall can move it a long ways and even bury it in sediment. In the mountains heavy rain and debris flows are ever present. Snowmelt also triggers debris flows. It may be necessary to vacuum dredge the streambed and run it through a screen. All this in difficult terrain.
  2. Capsule broken and storage media scattered -- the entire hillside area will have to be treated like an archaeological dig. Labor intensive, time consuming and distressing because of fragmentary human remains

Description of debris from 1956 TCA CFIT at Mt Slesse:
http://forums.clubtread.com/27-briti...ris-field.html

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 16:22
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According to what the authorities have announced, they seem to be looking for a large orange object, not a card or other component.
Now they have built a road, access to the site is easier.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 16:27
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I believe the "FDR case found, memory/storage missing" came at the 3 leaders brief, not from the BEA or prosecutor? I also saw somewhere reference to maybe this being the QAR?

If both the above have any truth, one can see the confusion?

Spec I have just read equates to 270K decelerating over 450cm. Given a 350K impact, I have no idea how much the tail would have slowed by the time the FDR area reached the surface?
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 16:50
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I'm sure there will be a lot of pilots taking anti-depressants on the fly that will be getting worried right now. The initial medical examination should include a review of GP notes to see if there has been a previous history of psychiatric illness.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 17:29
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Crash Survivable Memory Unit (CSMU)

@oldoberon, 31 Mar 2015 at 09:37 --

There are a variety of recorder models and manufacturers.

The FDR in the AF 447 accident was a Honeywell 4700. The spec:

http://www51.honeywell.com/aero/comm...28SSFDR%29.pdf

"The SSFDR's crash survivable memory unit (CSMU) provides for complete data recovery when subjected to the crash conditions stipulated in ED-55 and ED-56a: Impact Shock 3400G, 6.5 milliseconds . . . "

The BEA final report on AF 447 states that "For the FDR, only the protected unit (CSMU or memory module) was present. The CVR was complete."

The EUROCAE and RTCA documents (e.g., ED-55) that have the detailed requirements are on pay-per-view sites.

A few popular press articles (not specs):

BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Flight recorders: clues to air crashes

AutoSpeed - Inside the Black Box
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 17:31
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Cabin Video recovered

According to latest news from the Bild Zeitung website, their journalists and those of Paris Match could view a video from a memory card, recovered by rescuers, and probably taken with a cell phone during the last seconds of the fatal flight. The contents would be consistent with the declarations of the Marseilles prosecutor about the pax realising their fate, "My God heard in several languages, and the Captain hitting the cockpit door with some metallic tool.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 17:37
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From the Grauniad:

"Five days after the Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz seemingly crashed his plane into the French Alps, killing all 150 people on board, there was a growing backlash in Germany on Saturday against what many in his hometown feel is a tasteless rush to judgment.
Residents say French investigators have been too hasty in blaming Lubitz for the crash, and that the full facts about his medical condition and apparent long history of depression are not yet known.

Pilots’ organisations have also said that the conclusion of French air accident experts that Lubitz deliberately locked the captain out of the cabin, then calmly steered flight 4U9525 into a mountain, is premature."

Andreas Lubitz's hometown condemns rush to judge Germanwings co-pilot | World news | The Guardian

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 17:51
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According to CNN, a video from inside the plane with the final moments before the crash has been found!
The content has been described in a couple of publications, jst been posted. I belive they mentioned Bild and Match.

Apparently it comes from one of the phone's memory card, found at the crash site.

LE: for those who can read German
http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/flug...6768.bild.html

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 18:11
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How come that something apparently recovered from the crash site has come into the public domain?

Wouldn't you expect all such evidence to be impounded by the investigators?
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 18:12
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English and French version

Inside the A320 - Exclusive: The final moments before the crash
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 18:17
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G-CPTN:
Yes, I would expect (and hope for) that, but I would also expect that a "French military official" would not feed the NYT ... and that apparently happened. Leaks like that are IMO not helpful to the job that the crash investigators are trying to do in a methodical way.

@SevereClear: I detect a bit of "filling in the blanks" in the breaking news story that you linked to. Thanks for the link anyway. If one ever needed an illustration of "if it bleeds it leads" in journalism, this one seems a textbook case.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 18:18
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
How come that something apparently recovered from the crash site has come into the public domain?

Wouldn't you expect all such evidence to be impounded by the investigators?
Yeah, you would. Like the CVR audio, and the NYT source that leaked the FO story.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 18:32
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Somehow does not surprise me at all.

I think we've already established that this investigation is as leaky as one of dear Liza's buckets, and attempts to stem the gush of information are about as effective as the hapless Henry.

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Old 31st Mar 2015, 18:37
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Interesting that the claim is made that the FO was wearing an O2 mask.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 19:00
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Lastima moments video

Unfortunatly it seems these "magazines" have the video. Hope will never be published.

http://www.airlive.net/2015/03/break...medium=twitter
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 19:16
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O2 mask??

Interesting that the claim is made that the FO was wearing an O2 mask.
Where are they getting this from?

This apparent new leak is claiming to have cell phone audio from inside the cabin. How does this in any way tie into the co-pilot having an O2 mask on?
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 19:25
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ex girlfriend statement:

"but she added that he suffered from the pressure of his job, stating: "We spoke a lot about work and then he became another person. He became agitated about the circumstances in which he had to work, too little money, anxiety about his contract and too much pressure."

Andreas Lubitz planned spectacular gesture that would go down in history, claims ex-girlfriend - Telegraph

Do we need another motive?

I hope our airline managers / politicians understand that this can't happen another time and start reducing workload and start treating people as humans with limits...
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 19:31
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Interesting that the claim is made that the FO was wearing an O2 mask.
Where are they getting this from?

This apparent new leak is claiming to have cell phone audio from inside the cabin. How does this in any way tie into the co-pilot having an O2 mask on?

The Paris Match article also includes a timeline derived from the CVR and that is where the statement is made that the FO is wearing an O2 mask.
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 19:54
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Unfortunatly it seems these "magazines" have the video. Hope will never be published.
Does it add any useful facts to the investigation or is it just manufactured to sell copy?
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Old 31st Mar 2015, 20:16
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The information there is BS
You would never have a"sink rate" at 13000ft, nor a "terrain, pull up" if the levations are around 6800ft
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