Drones threatening commercial a/c?
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This individual has done what BALPA has been trying to do for some years without success, make the politicians and airports see sense.
Why are drones permitted within Class A airspace without specific clearance from ATC?
Why are drones permitted within Class A airspace without specific clearance from ATC?
"terrorism is a set of methods of combat rather than an identifiable ideology or movement, and involves premeditated use of violence against (primarily) non-combatants in order to achieve a psychological effect of fear on others than the immediate targets.”
Hence, terrorism seeks to cause fear through violence or the threat of violence. These drones at LGW seem to have done exactly that, even if the whole story is yet to emerge.
Flatmate of mine whilst beating up the countryside very low and fast got a model aircraft with the intake of the hunter. The energy in a large heavy lump of aluminium at more than double the speed of an airliner on approach of take off is considerably more than an over the counter drone. It did go through the skin and take out his hydraulics but that was all. Thirty years on model aircraft are still flying everywhere and the frogs still manage to route their low level flights over my brothers club without bothering about his models flying above them. It’s politics wrt more big brother and taking our minds of the political crooks.
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Silly old ATC, if only they'd refused the drone operators request for clearance this could all have been prevented. 
Why are drones permitted within Class A airspace without specific clearance from ATC?
Flatmate of mine whilst beating up the countryside very low and fast got a model aircraft with the intake of the hunter. The energy in a large heavy lump of aluminium at more than double the speed of an airliner on approach of take off is considerably more than an over the counter drone. It did go through the skin and take out his hydraulics but that was all. Thirty years on model aircraft are still flying everywhere and the frogs still manage to route their low level flights over my brothers club without bothering about his models flying above them. It’s politics wrt more big brother and taking our minds of the political crooks.
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The current operator if he gets caught will no doubt claim that he wasn't endangering an aircraft because there were all grounded and the jury will no doubt find him innocent or the judge will give him a suspended sentence.
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wouldn't this whole incident be rather ironic if it turns out to be an old boy farmer trying 'to get with the times' with a industrial drone to crop spray his fields (I know there is a lot more requirements needed).
not having the experience or full know how but dangerous enough to think he knows and planning a route over his crops and sending the drone on it's way.
I can just imagine him (or her) sitting in his front room thinking 'this new fangled technology is great', completely unaware what is actually going on. none the wiser.
not having the experience or full know how but dangerous enough to think he knows and planning a route over his crops and sending the drone on it's way.
I can just imagine him (or her) sitting in his front room thinking 'this new fangled technology is great', completely unaware what is actually going on. none the wiser.
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3 years ago police cuts removed 50 specialist officers from airport flightpath protection. Originally deployed to counter the perceived terrorist manpad threat, would have been useful to instead expand remit to counter the well-warned drone threat. All I could find was this Reuters article. There must be more in the public domain somewhere.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security-police-exclusive-idUKKBN0TN0Q320151204
"Known as Flight Path Protection Teams (FPPT), the British police units were set up in 2008 to find and negate the threat from locations near airports where militants could fire Manpads or similar weaponry at planes as they take off and land.
They also work with local communities to collect intelligence about any suspicious activity.
Police chiefs plan to reduce their number from about 50 officers around the country to two constables based in London because they have assessed that there is currently minimal risk of such attacks, the two sources told Reuters."
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security-police-exclusive-idUKKBN0TN0Q320151204
"Known as Flight Path Protection Teams (FPPT), the British police units were set up in 2008 to find and negate the threat from locations near airports where militants could fire Manpads or similar weaponry at planes as they take off and land.
They also work with local communities to collect intelligence about any suspicious activity.
Police chiefs plan to reduce their number from about 50 officers around the country to two constables based in London because they have assessed that there is currently minimal risk of such attacks, the two sources told Reuters."
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All reminds me of the Iceland volcano of 10 years ago, nobody is left in authority who is capable of taking decisions on what to do, all too frightened of being second-guessed by somebody afterwards so leave it to "someone else" along the chain.
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I'd put money on that actual team (not one single individual) being in a van, heading up the M3 at this very moment, towards the M25 and Heathrow airport to repeat the same shenanigans again - probably on Christmas eve.
The team who did it are many miles from the EGKK now and drinking some beers and finessing their road map of intended extortion.
"EGLL - you're next unless you transfer X amount of £'s in to offshore account No; 1234, etc, etc.
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No but drones are technically aircraft and there is absolutely no reason why drones could not be given permission to operate at a specific time place and height within controlled airspace with the clearance could be given electronically. At the present time it would appear that they have been given unrestricted access up to within 1km of an airfield and a specific height in all airspace
The current operator if he gets caught will no doubt claim that he wasn't endangering an aircraft because there were all grounded and the jury will no doubt find him innocent or the judge will give him a suspended sentence.
The current operator if he gets caught will no doubt claim that he wasn't endangering an aircraft because there were all grounded and the jury will no doubt find him innocent or the judge will give him a suspended sentence.
It is of course obvious that yesterday's dronist was not flying to anyone's rules.....
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Hopefully, the culprits will be caught, the cost to the airlines and the airports if horrific but if I were a passenger who has been affected I would seek redress via the small claims court against whoever is responsible. A few thousand claims for lost business or inconvenience will make others think twice.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
We know who is responsible for closing the runways... The authorities for over reacting to the perceived danger... Looks like a small "phantom" type drone in the video, (it even had it's lights on to be seen) weighing less than 7Kgs and not even required to remain clear of controlled airspace.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
Correct me if I'm wrong...
