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Old 20th Dec 2018, 08:36
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
It's time though......how long after a drone appeared overhead would it be before said commercial operator could be on site?

But, maybe a case for having some drones at each airport on 'QRA' and have some of the airside ground staff that do the bird scare duties cross-trained in drone operation, could easily keep one at the ready in the duty vehicles....??
I kept my P3 in a fitted flightcase. Smaller than an average suitcase, and could also hold several battery packs. One could be up in the air within seconds, especially if kept calibrated & stored with the props already screwed on. This whole mess could have been dealt with there and then. I'm amazed it's been allowed to carry on this long!

And now the effects are gaining publicity, expect copycat attacks...
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 08:47
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Sky News reporting that one of the drones is a heavy industrial drone, not an off the shelf model,
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:05
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Sadly this seems to be a deliberate act, an environmental protest or something else to disrupt a major airport. Attaching the lights was to attract attention.
This incident has infuriated many responsible drones owners whether for business or pleasure who abide by the rules and fly responsibly.

Hopefully, the culprits will be caught, the cost to the airlines and the airports if horrific but if I were a passenger who has been affected I would seek redress via the small claims court against whoever is responsible. A few thousand claims for lost business or inconvenience will make others think twice.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:15
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The environmental protest group Extinction Rebellion have a day of protest planned in London for the 18th of December. I wonder if there is a connection?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:47
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So a group of say five anarchists could spend about three thousand pounds on "drones" and close Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead, Luton and Birmingham for half a day. This would suggest that there is a global market for anti-drone technology.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-t...-technologies/
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 09:50
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Sussex Police saying the last drone sighting was at 08:45. How much longer do they need to leave it before they can declare it safe enough to re-open the airfield?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:03
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Originally Posted by NAROBS
On the scale of risk, would a police marksman with a sniper's rifle be any more random or unguided in terms of unanticipated deleterious effect than that of an airport operative with a thunderclap bird scarer ?
Yes, it will definitely be more random and is in no way comparable to use of a shotgun, where the pellets quickly slow down and fall. Any rifle rounds that miss (and probably even those that hit, as a drone wouldn’t slow them down much) would go a long way up and fall to earth still with lethal potential. Hunting with rifles is only done in open wilderness or where the line of sight puts terrain behind the intended target to collect any wayward rounds. Aiming a rifle upwards would need the field of fire to be cleared for a few miles in the chosen direction, a practical impossibility near an airport.

When police or military snipers are targeting an active shooter, more risk can be taken because there is a need to balance risk to life of the shooter’s actual/potential targets against that to a possible single distant bystander. The number of potential targets is therefore a consideration, but there is still an imperative to reduce risk to bystanders to an reasonable minimum. In the aviation case, shooting at a drone with a rifle might be justified if an aircraft was on final reserve and needed to land immediately; otherwise diversion is ‘reasonable’ and from that perspective is the most legally defensible option.

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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:41
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Surely one of these is the answer:
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:42
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A slightly less severe option than a Tomahawk or other ground-to-air missile which I've seen suggested!

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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:47
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If they catch the culprits for the LGW Drones, a very long custodial sentence should make anyone think twice about doing similar in the future. A minimum of 10 years inside if I were a Judge.
ps: Any attempts by the convicted to fly drones into their prison with drugs, then another 5 years for each conviction.

As a last resort, expel the vagabonds to Garvie Island.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 11:03
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According to Eurocontrol Gatwick will be closed till 4PM local time
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 11:15
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Originally Posted by NAROBS
​bearing in mind drones in the military sphere are already the next best thing to sliced-bread for intelligence gathering and asymmetrical threat suppression. No counter-measure already ? Don't believe it.
Military rules of engagement may sometimes give scope to use lethal force where activities such as intelligence gathering are potential (rather than imminent or actual) threats. That kind of freedom is less likely to be given outside conflict situations and very much less likely to police. Military counter-drone technologies include electronic options: possibly problematic for GPS and other navigation systems!
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 11:46
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All flights supended for today.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 11:51
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Police marksmen now on the airfield.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 12:28
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Dr Alan McKenna, from the University of Kent, said the drones appeared to be "of an industrial size" not "one you can buy from the shops".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46623754
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 12:41
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I do wonder why a Police helicopter can't follow one when it needs to go and land. Someone will go to pick it up / change its battery at some point.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 13:22
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If the staff at Gatwick have seen drones in the last couple of hours, how come NPAS hasn't simply hovered nearby and followed it home using FLIR, or waited for the battery to flatten it falls out the sky.
And the place and its surroundings are now crawling with media, how come there's no video or stills of the errant device(s)...?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 13:56
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"All Gatwick flights now cancelled until at least 1900 GMT, coordinated and deliberate drone operations are still ongoing in and around the airfield, multiple police forces and other resources now deployed, do not underestimate the seriousness of this unprecedented and developing situation."
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 14:00
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Only photo I could find is below. Eddie Mitchell is a journalist for BBC and also a drone pilot.

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Old 20th Dec 2018, 14:05
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Originally Posted by Tetsuo
Only photo I could find is below. Eddie Mitchell is a journalist for BBC and also a drone pilot.

https://twitter.com/brightonsnapper/...61518933499904
This pic is of the npas helo searching? Not the troublemaker drone?
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