JetBlue return, evac
Would it be to ensure that cabin crew have a few seconds to get into position at their allocated stations before we SLF block the aisles in our haste to retrieve our carry-ons?
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If you keep people in the dark on what they are meant to do - do not be surprised if there is considerable indeterminacy in what they do. Why not include pax in a 'CRM' type prebrief.
In this case it could have been:
"We have had a failure in one engine which is now shut down. We can fly perfectly well on one engine and will be landing in 5 minutes. There is some smoke in the cabin air from the hot shut down engine but it is not dangerous. After we land which should be a routine landing. we will stop on the runway for fire crews to check the engine. We do not expect to have to evacuate using slides but if we do - you must NOT take carry on bags with you. We can retrieve those later."
Repeated by cabin crew walking down the aircraft in the several minutes prior to landing....
Or just leave the SLF thinking the aircraft will explode into flames any second
and they are next to exits they can open....
Would it be to ensure that cabin crew have a few seconds to get into position at their allocated stations before we SLF block the aisles in our haste to retrieve our carry-ons?
I know different airlines have different procedures but in all the companies I have flown for the Evac is commanded from the flight deck in simple language.
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As one of the SLF simpletons I would very much love this kind of inclusion into the problem, IF there is a problem.
So, this will be a post from an SLF kind of view.
Be aware that I am the kind of SLF that always make an effort to listen to CC during safety briefings and I am highly annoyed by ignorants. Alas, I try to get into the mindset that IF something were to happen at least I have some kind of planning ability and IF the excrements were to come in contact with the air conditioning system I could maybe be of some use to CC, if just only as someone who DON'T open a door. I hope you get the gist.
Yes, there is always the problem of rowdy, unruly and just plain stupid SLF. But if there is at least one with some common sense and survival instincts that person could be a great help in case of the aforementioned manure. Thus it really helps to include us pax in the briefing. Hopefully the briefing will have a sobering effect on the more.. wild persons in the cabin, too.
Ok, back to lurking for now.
Why not include pax in a 'CRM' type prebrief.
So, this will be a post from an SLF kind of view.
Be aware that I am the kind of SLF that always make an effort to listen to CC during safety briefings and I am highly annoyed by ignorants. Alas, I try to get into the mindset that IF something were to happen at least I have some kind of planning ability and IF the excrements were to come in contact with the air conditioning system I could maybe be of some use to CC, if just only as someone who DON'T open a door. I hope you get the gist.
Yes, there is always the problem of rowdy, unruly and just plain stupid SLF. But if there is at least one with some common sense and survival instincts that person could be a great help in case of the aforementioned manure. Thus it really helps to include us pax in the briefing. Hopefully the briefing will have a sobering effect on the more.. wild persons in the cabin, too.
Ok, back to lurking for now.
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Still not knowing all the details, I am wondering why they elected a return to KLGB with it's displaced 7,4xx runway in very busy VFR training traffic and not 12,xxx foot runway available at KLAX? LAX would likely be better prepped for an incident on the roll out. B6 does have a presence there as well, and it is only a bus ride between the two. But the route was south, and not knowing the aircraft condition it is hard to determine, but worth discussing.
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as the pilot was pretty smart, he knew his personal automobile was parked at the long beach airport parking lot and it would be much more dangerous to drive between LAX and Long Beach to retrieve it.
so, he did what we would all do, he realized he could safely (except for evac mistakes and oxygen use) return to departure airport and he did so.
as the pilot was pretty smart, he knew his personal automobile was parked at the long beach airport parking lot and it would be much more dangerous to drive between LAX and Long Beach to retrieve it.
so, he did what we would all do, he realized he could safely (except for evac mistakes and oxygen use) return to departure airport and he did so.
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R12 is 10,000 ft. LGB or ONT were probably the nearest suitable airports to return on one engine and they were probably more familiar with LGB than LAX or ONT. Operationally it was the best choice so why make it complicated? 25L VFR traffic would not be a factor because the tower would manage that.
Smoke in the cabin would require using the nearest suitable airport as well as a single engine approach with a twin engine aircraft.
Smoke in the cabin would require using the nearest suitable airport as well as a single engine approach with a twin engine aircraft.
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Agreed. The ability to stop the plane was not in doubt (landing distances are not predicated on thrust reversers.) The immediacy of the problem - engine failure with fire that took longer than expected to extinguish and smoke in the cabin - made LGB a viable option.
Also, looking at the flight track, they were already on a wide downwind and would have required a time-consuming course reversal and vectoring to get to LAX. They made the right choice to get it on the ground ASAP.
BTW - who here would not use the full 10,000ft of runway in an emergency?
Also, looking at the flight track, they were already on a wide downwind and would have required a time-consuming course reversal and vectoring to get to LAX. They made the right choice to get it on the ground ASAP.
BTW - who here would not use the full 10,000ft of runway in an emergency?
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About carry-ons
Would it be an option (cost, additionnal weight, wiring, power supply, etc.) to have the overhead bins automatically locked in case of an evac?
The harder part would be to get the pax used to the idea that there is no point in trying to recover personnal belongings in an emergency, I guess.
To weight pro and contra, beside common sense, is there any facts, test or study about how much of an impairment, i.e. danger, it is when pax struggle for their stuff in the midst of an evac ?
The harder part would be to get the pax used to the idea that there is no point in trying to recover personnal belongings in an emergency, I guess.
To weight pro and contra, beside common sense, is there any facts, test or study about how much of an impairment, i.e. danger, it is when pax struggle for their stuff in the midst of an evac ?
