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Pilot's artificial arm 'became detached while landing plane'

Old 17th Aug 2014, 02:11
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An aircraft on final hits severe turbulence, only for a short while, he lands without any further "problems".

When asked at what altitude he hit the turbulence, he can't tell, cause his glasses fell off, and he had to find them again in the cockpit.

Would this ban all pilots using glasses from flying?

(By the way, real story)
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 02:39
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If that plane had crashed we'd all be wearing those nerdy elastic bands that keep glasses on your head. LOL
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 08:27
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This has hit the media for the simple reason that it is different a one armed pilot flying PAX on a commercial basis.

Yes of course able bodied pilots screw up landings but the media attraction was that a pilot with a false arm had that arm detach in the course of landing! Quite a story line.

Of course he should continue flying and as a pilot I support pilots with medical conditions where possible being allowed to continue with their profession
But this is about lessons to be learned from the incident not stopping the poor guy from flying

One which is not unique to this incident and includes able bodied pilots is that if you are not happy with an approach landing then go around and sort the problem in the air and make another approach and landing

The other which maybe unique to this incident is that the FO should be briefed and a plan or course of action should be pre established so that in the unlikely event of this ever happening again each crew member knows their role in the situation and acts accordingly

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Old 17th Aug 2014, 08:36
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for heavens sake stick with facts.
his prosthesis didn't detach.
it merely slipped off the yoke.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 08:48
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Same same, but different.

And pilots who loose their glasses don't go blind. There are limits to how much correction you can have.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 09:01
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According to the report, what actually happened was his prosthetic limb became detached from the yoke clamp.

This event highlights many good things about aviation. Firstly, it demonstrates an understanding attitude towards disability. Secondly, we can see we have professionals working within it. This guy dobbed himself in, and that demonstrates a professional attitude towards safety. Thirdly, that the incident was not swept under the carpet. Lastly, that the AAIB investigated this incident and came up with a reasonable conclusion.

What is disappointing is many people's attitude to this event based on what appears to prejudice. I thought we had moved on, but obviously not.

Now I'll defer to the experts. The CAA's medics, the AAIB nor FlyBe's training department consider that this guy is fit to fly public transport aircraft. Therefore, I'm happy to share the sky him, have him fly me and have him fly over my house.

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Old 17th Aug 2014, 09:14
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Mandatory to have 2 pairs of glasses available by law, could be interesting to watch a pilot carrying an extra limb when he goes to work :-)
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 11:41
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Just for info this is more than likely something like what he uses. This one is for motorbikes.

The way I read it the bit that failed was the clamp onto the Yoke. The friction clamp lever sprung open. This one because it is semi perm can be bolted to the steering bar.

From an engineering point of view the design in use more than likely had several thousand landings on it with no issues. The event occurred design revisited and in under 10 mins the risk negated with use of a tapered retaining pin through a lug hole.

I think there are 2 engineers in the UK who can sign off mods for disabled pilots but both of them are light aircraft. There was a third but he died a few years back.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 13:06
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Just ask your passengers BEFORE the flight what they think about....

I WON'T fly in this case... It is not serious.
If you like to fly - do it in air club with private plane.

But having passengers behind..... sorry, no.

You have to think about passengers safety, not about your own ambitions.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 13:49
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OPEN QUESTION TO FLYBE AIRLINES

Quote from the BBC:

Flybe said the senior captain was one of its "most experienced and trusted pilots", and the safety of passengers and crew had not been compromised in any way.

Question:

If this incident did NOT compromise safety then could you enlighten us as to what in your opinion DOES?
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 13:56
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OPEN QUESTION TO FLYBE AIRLINES

The RAF proved years ago that a pilot can be totally legless and still be a stuff-shirted arrogant glory-seeker. Should give the chap a hand for only one bounce.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 13:56
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I'm afraid that is what airlines and ANSPs always say when there has been an incident.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 14:06
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The RAF proved years ago that a pilot can be totally legless and still be a stuff-shirted arrogant glory-seeker. Should give the chap a hand for only one bounce.
Two hands might be better.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 14:21
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. as he made the flare manoeuvre - "his prosthetic limb became detached from the yoke clamp, depriving him of control of the aircraft".
From the BBC story. It sounds like the clamp stayed on the yoke.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 14:32
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It seems that many posters on this thread believe that their "opinions" trump those of the CAA, AAIB and Flybe's. Both the CAA and Flybe had ample time to consider any risks before this individual's licence was granted/renewed. Following this incident I'm sure that both the CAA and Flybe have reassessed the risks and concluded that they are manageable.


Sadly none of these details will affect the feeding frenzy that some appear to have whipped themselves into, IMHO , and they should just be left to get on with it.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 14:47
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The removal and refitting of any mechanical component in the flying control system normally requires a duplicate inspection and signing off by a licensed engineer. Just saying....
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 15:35
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Just to balance things, I'd like to see the training and medical records of those who believe this guy shouldn't fly, with or without passengers. That will sure give us a laugh. For anybody capable if coming up with unhinged opinions like this is bound to have an interesting past - one which should preclude them from flying with or without passengers. Fact free, zero analysis arguments based purely upon prejudice have no value here or anywhere else. They should be consigned to Room 101.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 16:08
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I go back to what I wrote before which is that there are many pilots flying commercially with medical conditions.
Flying is one of the few professions where a strict medical is required and at any time a pilot can be told that his career/livelihood is over.
hence it is right and proper to try and accommodate these people where it is deemed that it is safe to do so.
With 2 crew its not such a bad situation as with a single pilot and many fly with conditions where they are using drugs or combination of drugs for various conditions.
Yes there are lessons to be learnt from this incident which is unlikely to happen again and may require a special briefing and clarification of roles in the event of such an occurrence and maybe being more aware a possible go around should this happen again.
As for saying the pilot is not fit to fly? total rubbish and a dangerous route to take regarding where such discrimination could lead to other pilots who do not quite hit the Mark in other medical areas
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 20:33
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Just ask your passengers BEFORE the flight what they think about....
I WON'T fly in this case... It is not serious.
If you like to fly - do it in air club with private plane.
But having passengers behind..... sorry, no.

You have to think about passengers safety, not about your own ambitions.
I agree with you but... this industry is joke itself :

airlines offer P2F, contracts are off-shore or you're an independant worker, and now pilots have artificial arms.

And you expect professionalism and some serious things ?


Long time ago I gave up to expect anything from this industry.

I take my paycheck and just laugh (hollowly) at what I can see.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 22:42
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Yes A330AV8R they do. And if your handle implies you fly commercially then I am astounded that you do not know this.

I refer you back to post 4 of this thread, where the poster kindly gave us all the link to the CAA web site that explains the legislation.

Far smarter medical and engineering minds than seem to appear on this thread have assessed that certain kinds of disability in civil aviation need to be addressed and solved in various ways.The legislation and the CAA medical staff are way more capable than the journalists of the popular press and the frippery of this thread to ensure that the safety of disabled pilots does not compromise any aspect of both civil and private aviation. These legislators continue to provide the levels of safety that is expected under the EASA.


My handle implies THAT exactly .

I have touched all corners of the planet operationally and I have " NEVER " yes " NEVER " seen anyone barring a few really " over weight " individuals who carry personal O2 tanks to breath at night , but that is a different story ........ operating a short or long haul flight .

Case in point a friend of mine Former BA had an unusual heart rhythm and because of this he simply couldn't get a Class 1 medical until he got one outside of the " EASA " system . For the uninitiated this is not a developed condition but is something that your born with .

I have to say that I learn something new every day but this one about the CAA / EASA is a first !

That being said as long as the person is sitting on the left or right then some competent person put them there and disabled or not as long as they are SAFE operators , that's good enough for me !
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