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Pilot's artificial arm 'became detached while landing plane'

Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:18
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But the paying public expect that the appropriate Government appointed agencies do this, before issuing their licenses.

This is why we have licenses!
It seems the CAA medical department have deemed the individual fit to hold the medical.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:19
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How exactly would he control the yoke? I'm no expert, but as far as I know they haven't developed a hand that can do much more than act as a 'holder'? Or does he have a hook??

To the pilots who still don't seem to understand that passengers are their livelihood, the fact remains that many pax will be horrified by this, and will possibly choose not to use Flybe in the future. And no amount of sarcastic comments will make any difference.

I know people who already choose not to fly with them because they won't fly on prop liners. It may be dumb, it may be pathetic, but they won't fly on them, and that means less revenue for the airline.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:26
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Ok.

Why was the co-pilot not monitoring the situation more closely?

Could just as easily have been a bird strike/ sudden incapacitation etc etc
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:35
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Anyone considered how many uneventful landings this captain made before this unfortunate incident? Personally, I would fly with this guy again. A lesson has been learned which will safeguard the potential of a repeat occurrence. Just remember Basil that there have been thousands of four-limbed pilots who have stuffed it with a total loss of life! There are quite a few psychos out there too. They worry me more than this guy!

If the captain concerned is reading this, you have my support and I will gladly fly with you.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:49
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I feel sorry for the guy, whose professional flying career may be ended by the result of the enquiry and ensuing publicity.
I feel sorry not only for him, but every UK class 1 holder who has some form of medical restriction who may well now come under the spot light given the publicity and have there restriction re-assessed.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:51
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How would this have played out on an aircraft with a side stick?
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:54
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Originally Posted by oldlag53 View Post
How exactly would he control the yoke? I'm no expert, but as far as I know they haven't developed a hand that can do much more than act as a 'holder'? Or does he have a hook??
The verbal news announcement, rather than what's online, said that he had the hand of his prosthesis attached to the yolk through some sort of clip, a procedure he always undertook prior to landing. But in the gusty turbulence of final approach, when he pulled back in the flare the whole thing became detached so he immediately grabbed the yolk with his right hand, leaving the throttle unattended. That's when the co-pilot should have been on the case straight away, and perhaps he was, but by then they'd already bounced and landed heavily, thankfully no-one hurt.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 09:56
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The Captain has my support too and I was impressed by flybe's response. Contrary to the way this industry is going, I believe there's a huge amount of value in people who are outside the "perfect pilot" mould.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:01
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It is interesting to speculate how the tenor of these posts might have differed, had the aircraft crashed.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:04
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Pilots with an artificial arm, things don't have to become more crazy than that.

Apparently the authorities will stop at nothing in order to inflate the amount of pilots at the wish of the airlines, so that airlines can hire and fire at will whilst consistently lowering T&C's...

Demand and supply folks: artificially increase the supply faster than demand, and guess what happens to the price (i.e. salary)?

p.s. Where was the F/O? Was it one of those MPL buttonpusher follow the magenta line OM-A reader pilots who has no clue that you can fly an airplane all by yourself?
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:10
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As a lowly passenger I actually do have some sympathy for this pilot , He has done nothing wrong as I imagine that his medical etc and testing for his licence was satisfactory. As mentioned in an earlier post how many incident free landings has this guy made in his career.
The company that employ him should have conducted risk assesments etc was there an issue with the fastenings rather than with the fact that his arm was prosthetic. Maybe stronger/ re designed fastenings etc would be the answer rather than screaming for his head
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:12
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It's worth noting that in this self-publicity obsessed age, none of the 47 passengers even noticed anything wrong, or we would have known about this "incident" in February. We only know now because the pilot reported it himself, the AAIB gave it 2 of the 120 pages in the August bulletin, and in all those pages a BBC hack couldn't find anything more interesting to scrawl about.


Give the guy a break.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:21
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For arguments sake let's say this pilot was without any form of disability and a mechanical device critical to the control of this aircraft malfunctions and causes a similar landing. Would the aircraft and all other aircraft of type not be subject to investigation and possible grounding until the said defect was fully corrected?
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 10:57
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Sorry, but I do not wish to be flown by someone with bits missing.
Basil, reading your profile you appear to have the credibility to post here and for that reason would strongly suggest that you retract your comment. The reason should be obvious.

Besides, the press are doing a good enough job bashing our profession and this individual without such ill judged support.

As an aside, in the same AAIB bulletin, another crew managed to generate hard EGPWS warnings arising from an unstable approach. This did'nt make the headlines but I would warrant any professional pilot reading both reports would conclude that limited cognitive ability far outweighs the risk of corrected physical ability.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 11:05
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darkbarly,

My sentiments exactly.

Some peolpe should be ashamed of themselves, I do not say this because of your opinion of having pilots flying with prosthetics or any other disability, but because of the way you express that opinion with a complete lack of respect or empathy.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 11:07
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He obviously had a class one medical, and that must have been granted after careful consideration of his ability to control the aircraft.
The problem is this, he just proved that he can't do that in all situations, so I expect the medical to go bye bye.
How about just getting him a prosthetic arm which won't detach so easily?
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 11:20
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Let's not forget here, with all these flipant remarks, that we are talking about an individual who has my sympathy to have been caught up in a publically discussed scenario.

As a pilot however, I am surprised to hear that these days with an artificial limb you can hold a Class 1 medical and operate a commercial passenger carrying airliner. I am not aware of the intricacies of todays artificial limbs (plainly they are not failsafe) and I can well understand that some people feel uncomfortable with the thought that the pilot of their flight might have one; indeed I would too. In challenging weather conditions it can be quite an art to control an aircraft at TO and landing with four fully functioning limbs let alone with one of them being artificial.

If this person is, as Flybe state, 'senior and trusted' would it not be more appropriate to employ them (should they wish), in a training or managerial roll so complying with the law on equal opportunities?
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 11:22
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I of course have never flown with people who have an obvious disability like this gentleman. I have undoubtedly flown (intentionally or unintentionally) with people who have other disabilities.


1. Those who demonstrated they were generally incompetent and managed to bluff their way through training.


2. Those with " mental" disabilities such as depression.


3. Functioning alcoholics or those with drug dependencies.


4. Cadet types scared to phone in sick who in essence were disabled by sickness.


What do our colleagues really think about us... easy enough to get through a Class 1 medical

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Old 14th Aug 2014, 11:29
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JoshuaNKomo - I concur with what you are implying and there are many who undoutably should not be flying but that does not mean that it is necessarily right for anyone with any sort of diability to pilot an aircraft for hire and reward. IMHO
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 11:33
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For those throwing their hands up in shock horror, may I suggest you read this article about ACM Gus Walker RAF. He used to fly a Meteor 8 with just one good arm.

Pocklington History - Gus Walker

Air Commodore at the age of 30 and continued to fly having an artificial arm with leather loops which he wrapped around the control column. During his 36-year RAF career he rose be Air Chief Marshall and ultimately became a deputy Commander-in-chief of Nato.
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