Air Algerie loses contact with its plane leaving Ouagadougou
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Recent inspection of plane involved by French authorities
At 17:00 GMT/UTC, Euronews (the EU funded news channel only watched in hotel rooms) reported that a routine inspection of the plane in question had taken place in southern France only a few days ago and that everything about it had been found to be correct then.
A few posts up, someone took offence at the concept that a Spanish registered plane should be described as "from the 3rd world." Those living here and subjected to 3rd world political corruption every day of our lives with judicial probes routinely lasting for decades and so allowing brazen politicians to scorn the public who pay their outrageous salaries are not all quite so sure as to where the country should be located on any socio-geo-political scales.
Incidents like the continued complete silence regarding the Cork Airport Accident Enquiry and the 48 hour gap before anyone in Madrid reacted to the video of the Russian plane programmed to land on the Barcelona runway which an Aerolineas Argentinas jumbo was crossing, amongst many others, certainly don't inspire confidence.
A few posts up, someone took offence at the concept that a Spanish registered plane should be described as "from the 3rd world." Those living here and subjected to 3rd world political corruption every day of our lives with judicial probes routinely lasting for decades and so allowing brazen politicians to scorn the public who pay their outrageous salaries are not all quite so sure as to where the country should be located on any socio-geo-political scales.
Incidents like the continued complete silence regarding the Cork Airport Accident Enquiry and the 48 hour gap before anyone in Madrid reacted to the video of the Russian plane programmed to land on the Barcelona runway which an Aerolineas Argentinas jumbo was crossing, amongst many others, certainly don't inspire confidence.
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The safety case for the provision of live satellite data showing the position, extent, and track of major convective events such as the weather northeast of Ouagadougou, kindly illustrated by a previous poster, grows ever stronger.
In fact, it is urgent.
I said in 2009, after AF447, that the situation where passengers in the cabin, with access to wi-fi inflight, can see the "strategic" picture of these major convective systems, whereas the flight crew up front only have access to the "tactical" weather radar.
The more information one has to hand, the better the quality of the decision making.
The silence of the regulators is deafening.
In fact, it is urgent.
I said in 2009, after AF447, that the situation where passengers in the cabin, with access to wi-fi inflight, can see the "strategic" picture of these major convective systems, whereas the flight crew up front only have access to the "tactical" weather radar.
The more information one has to hand, the better the quality of the decision making.
The silence of the regulators is deafening.
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The silence of the regulators is deafening.
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Wreckage supposedly found over by Tilemsi...
...which, if true, would put it right up against the border with Mauritania. That would seem a heck of a westward deviation.
Air Algérie flight AH5017 wreckage 'found in Mali' | World news | theguardian.com
Air Algérie flight AH5017 wreckage 'found in Mali' | World news | theguardian.com
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Two towns / regions with same name in Mali
Blind Squirrel, I too thought the reports of wreckage in Tilemsi seemed strange (too far west).
However, it appears there are two towns or areas named Tilemsi in Mali.
One to the west, in the Tombouctou region
Tilemsi, Tombouctou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Another in the north east, not too far from Gao.
Tilemsi, Gao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That seems more in line with what the Malian president stated about the wreckage being near Kidal.
However, it appears there are two towns or areas named Tilemsi in Mali.
One to the west, in the Tombouctou region
Tilemsi, Tombouctou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Another in the north east, not too far from Gao.
Tilemsi, Gao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That seems more in line with what the Malian president stated about the wreckage being near Kidal.
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Further details re inspection history of aircraft in question
Spanish radio station Cadena-SER in its main evening news broadcast from 20:00 onwards this evening:
i) Confirmed routine inspection by French authorities "a few days ago" in Marseille
ii) Mentioned a previous routine inspection by French authorities "recently in Paris"
iii) Further mentioned what I think was a major inspection in March of this year (though I did not quite grasp all the details. They seemed to be suggesting it was an inspection "by European authorities" but I am uncertain on this. Perhaps it meant "in accordance with European standards"?)
They discussed the nature of the company which owns the plane Swift Air, adding that of the 4 aircraft of its type which the company owns, this was the youngest and had been purchased in 2012, I think they said.
i) Confirmed routine inspection by French authorities "a few days ago" in Marseille
ii) Mentioned a previous routine inspection by French authorities "recently in Paris"
iii) Further mentioned what I think was a major inspection in March of this year (though I did not quite grasp all the details. They seemed to be suggesting it was an inspection "by European authorities" but I am uncertain on this. Perhaps it meant "in accordance with European standards"?)
They discussed the nature of the company which owns the plane Swift Air, adding that of the 4 aircraft of its type which the company owns, this was the youngest and had been purchased in 2012, I think they said.
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What exactly would be the advance in flight safety by sending endless data streams from a plane in duress instead of a carefull, lengthy analysis later on?
Position reporting in a given timeframe, ok, makes sense for narrowing down SAR, but the plethora of data?
Position reporting in a given timeframe, ok, makes sense for narrowing down SAR, but the plethora of data?
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i) Confirmed routine inspection by French authorities "a few days ago" in Marseille
ii) Mentioned a previous routine inspection by French authorities "recently in Paris"
iii) Further mentioned what I think was a major inspection in March of this year (though I did not quite grasp all the details. They seemed to be suggesting it was an inspection "by European authorities" but I am uncertain on this. Perhaps it meant "in accordance with European standards"?)
ii) Mentioned a previous routine inspection by French authorities "recently in Paris"
iii) Further mentioned what I think was a major inspection in March of this year (though I did not quite grasp all the details. They seemed to be suggesting it was an inspection "by European authorities" but I am uncertain on this. Perhaps it meant "in accordance with European standards"?)
If a panel is missing or it's a fluid leak or bad tires or spill coffe in the cockpit .. they will see ... nothing more ....
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Another thing that would advance flight safety is to have working ELTs, which , this time again did not work.
For aircraft to "disappear from radar " you need to have a radar in the first place.
For aircraft to "disappear from radar " you need to have a radar in the first place.
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It's fundamentally *less safe* to fly anywhere where there is war and the combatants are armed with something more powerful than a spear or bow and arrow. an industry-wide embargo on those areas would cause them grave economic hardship and they'd settle their differences sooner. no planes = no supplies no evacuations no reinforcements no exports.....
Unfortunately, there is a lack of solidarity in the pilot profession, so someone, somewhere will always take that extra bit of risk.
Unfortunately, there is a lack of solidarity in the pilot profession, so someone, somewhere will always take that extra bit of risk.
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A few posts up, someone took offence at the concept that a Spanish registered plane should be described as "from the 3rd world." Those living here and subjected to 3rd world political corruption every day of our lives with judicial probes routinely lasting for decades and so allowing brazen politicians to scorn the public who pay their outrageous salaries are not all quite so sure as to where the country should be located on any socio-geo-political scales.
However, this of course could have absolutely nothing to do with today's latest tragedy.
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i) Confirmed routine inspection by French authorities "a few days ago" in Marseille
ii) Mentioned a previous routine inspection by French authorities "recently in Paris"
iii) Further mentioned what I think was a major inspection in March of this year (though I did not quite grasp all the details. They seemed to be suggesting it was an inspection "by European authorities" but I am uncertain on this. Perhaps it meant "in accordance with European standards"?)
ii) Mentioned a previous routine inspection by French authorities "recently in Paris"
iii) Further mentioned what I think was a major inspection in March of this year (though I did not quite grasp all the details. They seemed to be suggesting it was an inspection "by European authorities" but I am uncertain on this. Perhaps it meant "in accordance with European standards"?)
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here is a link to a nice pic of where the inter tropical convergence zone is now...right over mali
Intertropical Convergence Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Intertropical Convergence Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Localisation de l'épave de l'avion d'Air Algérie #AH5017 - Présidence de la République
"Les restes de l'avion d'Air Algérie, qui s'est écrasé le 24 juillet avec 116 personnes à bord, ont été localisés dans le nord du Mali, dans la région de Gossi. « L'appareil a été clairement identifié malgré son état désintégré », précise l’Élysée dans un communiqué diffusé dans la nuit de jeudi à vendredi."
"The remains of the Air Algeria, which crashed on July 24 with 116 people on board, were located in the north of Mali, in the region of Gossi." Aircraft has been clearly identified despite its disintegrated state, "said the Elysee in a statement released on the night of Thursday to Friday."
In this day and age I'm surprised that the press cannot get the aircraft type correct. In this case it was stated in some that it was an A320 then a DC.9 and now an MD.83, with pictures of an Air Algerie A330 in some papers.
Whilst to the uninitiated it's still hard to tell the difference between a DC.9 and an MD.83, surely an Airbus 320 stands out with its engines under the wings.
Whilst to the uninitiated it's still hard to tell the difference between a DC.9 and an MD.83, surely an Airbus 320 stands out with its engines under the wings.
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Newly reported location of wreckage (near Gossi), after 18 hours search, is puzzling, since Gossi is south-west of Gao, a surprisingly short distance from Ouaga after 50 mn flight. This would mean that a/c made a U-turn (unless it is deceptive info aimed at protecting remains and rescuers, or even a trap for rebels).