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Lufthansa lands on construction site at EPKT

Old 11th Jul 2014, 22:17
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On the link below, it appears that the REDL lights are on during the subsequent departure. So the explanation of them being on as well during the landing is actually quite possible.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=y...&v=hLLqIrf5l1Q

Placing a non standard cross, on a non standard position, with a non standard colour (should be yellow) is quite close to negligence. A lot of airports I know even have such a cross lit by a mobile runway closure marker:

Runway Closure Marker - Sherwin
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Old 11th Jul 2014, 23:24
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On the link below, it appears that the REDL lights are on during the subsequent departure. So the explanation of them being on as well during the landing is actually quite possible.
I've never seen any lights on the new runway so far. What you see in this video are most probably REDL of the old runway.

Finally, hint for crews flying to EPKT: ILS 27 GP is out of service, however LLZ is not turned off. Use if in doubt.
I have to call this one off: it was just turned off recently.
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Old 12th Jul 2014, 11:04
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On the link below, it appears that the REDL lights are on during the subsequent departure. So the explanation of them being on as well during the landing is actually quite possible.
No, they are not.
The film is taken with a very long lens from outside the fence.
The lights you see are on the old runway, just optical illusion due to long lens distorted perspective.
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Old 14th Jul 2014, 10:41
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Check! Makes sense indeed...
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Old 7th Aug 2014, 14:54
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Preliminary report has been published (in Polish only, but with many pictures):
http://www.mir.gov.pl/Transport/Tran...14_0982_RW.pdf

Findings:
  • APP offered visual approach which was accepted by the crew
  • existing runway, approach and PAPI lights were turned on at 100%
  • ATIS did not contain information about rwy in construction
  • markings on the rwy were not sufficient
  • observation from TWR is difficult due thresholds displacement
  • visibility was limited due rainshowers
  • EGPWS had no "Smart landing" feature installed and its map resolution was too low to detect the mistake
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 02:23
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I don't read Polish, but I think the pictures really do speak a 1,000 words!
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Wojtus
Preliminary report has been published (in Polish only, but with many pictures):
http://www.mir.gov.pl/Transport/Tran...14_0982_RW.pdf
Drugi pilot
Seems a bit harsh...
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 12:32
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wondering whether same crew executed the technical takeoff, or they're not allowed to fly until investigation is performed
I VERY much doubt it, at the best it would say the have been replaced by a crew granted permission to perform the T/O.

MY guess is they are suspended on full pay while waiting to have a loooong meeting with their CP, FSO and local CAA...I wish them only the very best.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 15:42
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If you take the time to check, you will find that aircraft have landed not only on the wrong runways but, believe it or not, at the wrong airport, in the past. No reason to be too hard on the crew. The system is there to penalise people for errors and I am sure it will be used adequately.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 16:38
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The system is there to penalise people for errors and I am sure it will be used adequately.
Is that how you're doing just culture in your part of the world?

No need to be too hard on the crew? Agree completely - if they acted professionally and in keeping with their training and experience throughout and followed the procedures that they were supposed to. In that case we have to look somewhere else in the system for the weaknesses that contributed to this mishap (which fortunately did not result in harm on this occasion).
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 23:06
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Preliminary Report in English

And now English version too.
Preliminary Report English
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Old 10th Aug 2014, 22:08
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Heck, on occasion aircraft have landed in the wrong country.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 10:50
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Good. It's all OK, then.....
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 15:11
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My addition was meant to read that any penalty be tailored to take relevant factors into account, in that mistakes are human and therefore should be dealt with humanely. I have, unfortunately, seen instances where a good telling off would have been more suitable than a written reprimand, which was the custom, in past times, without regard to the consequences to the career of the individual at fault.
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