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Virgin Hijack Apr 25th 14

Old 26th Apr 2014, 05:26
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And when he is finally released from prison,he will have to go by boat to get home because no airline or charter company will fly him.Hopefully he will learn that actions have consequences.

Garuda will probably carry him after sufficient money has changed hands! Be a bit difficult to deport him otherwise.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 13:29
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ETOPS, I'm with you on that one…

This incident begs the question yet again, why are PAX allowed through the gate to an aircraft, when not in a fit state, and in the UK at least, why so many bars plying their trade when clearly someone has had enough.

Sadly a rhetorical question… $$$£££$$$
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 13:49
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Betchya someone at elfin safety will setup a committee and investigation and conclude that all cockpit doors should carry a placard on the outside that reads "Do not knock on door this is not a toilet".
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 14:32
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Oz news reports that he has stated he was not drunk.
"Before leaving Brisbane he had only: “two Voltaren, four Panadol and two cans of Coca-Cola,” police said."

Is obnoxiously banging on the cockpit door and creating a threat of hijacking whilst sober a lessor charge than obnoxiously banging on cockpit door and creating threat of hijacking whilst drunk?

Reports are indicating that mentally he was in turmoil, rather than being drunk.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 18:37
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My point being that if a PAX (passenger) does't appear in a fit state to fly i.e. without causing announce, or worse to other passenger or crew or far worse, the potential safety of an aircraft, they should not get on the plane..

It's not fair or safe to the pax, crew, the industry for the handling agents/staff to try to "off load" your problem pax onto the aircraft to 'ship the problem down route'.

Thats my view as a Skipper who has had to deal with this
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 22:15
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........does't appear in a fit state to fly.......
Whilst boarding at Hong Kong once, a forward steward rang for assistance to remove an - apparently - drunken passenger who had verbally abused the steward whilst boarding, and the Police, who were watching every departure for some reason, maybe standard practice (?), wouldn't act without a request from "The Captain".

Went downstairs and gave the nod, and it was all over very quickly, One Two, One Two outside mate ( or whatever the phrase was in Chinese )

'course, one has to be aware that a smart lawyer can question ones' ability to recognise insobriety, are you qualified? Was once involved in a road accident and was questioned in that manner, my "Life experience" wasn't good enough, how did I know that for certain just because the other driver had swerved across the road, whom I was just able to avoid, and ended with the car on its' side, who then climbed out with petrol pouring everywhere leaving a Boxer dog sat on one of the side windows, so I climbed in and threw it out, to be then abused by the drunk of stealing his dog - which I was putting in my own car for safe keeping - was totally unable to stand straight or walk etc. etc. My admission that I couldn't smell his breath due to the petrol fumes around the scene nullified my evidence, and his behavious might have been due to the trauma of the accident ? Yeah ! Right !

You'd better be sure the Company are behind you before you deny boarding, commonsense has nothing to do with it, The Law Is An Ass.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 22:24
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Was once involved in a road accident and was questioned in that manner, my "Life experience" wasn't good enough...My admission that I couldn't smell his breath due to the petrol fumes around the scene nullified my evidance, and his behavious migth have been due to the trauma of the accident ? Yeah ! Right !

You'd better be sure the Company are behind you before you deny boarding, commonsense has nothing to do with it, The Law Is An Ass.
Whilst this may be true of a post event argument over who was right and who was wrong, in a pre-event boarding of an aircraft the captain can say he doesn't want that person on board for whatever reason, and the law will be 100% on their side. The airline can then look to rebook on another flight, either when the person has sobered up or had time to explain their behaviour, but there will be no legal come back for not being allowed to fly.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 22:36
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Nice to see all you 'professionals' want to hang the guy. Maybe he really was 'lost' on board. The toilet and cockpit door are very close....give us a break.
The guy must of been acting pretty unreasonably. Any reasonable person after knocking a few times, or waiting a reasonable amount of time would ask the cabin crew for assistance, as the person in the "toilet" might have a problem. Also, it's a very large aircraft with plenty of toilets on board, if he needed it that badly he could of found another.

Instead of this, it would seem that he banged persistently on the cockpit door, and ultimately needed to be restrained as he was deemed a security risk.

Whether drunk or not, people should be able to fly on an aircraft without causing a nuisance.
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 06:07
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Happens all the time with confused SLF all around the world. I have watched many passengers on the access camera attempting to enter the cockpit looking for a place to have a Jimmy.

The big question is how persistent and whether the crew reacted appropriately. If he could not be assisted and redirected without restraint, good job. If conversely he was agitated and just needed a helping hand the converse is true, it will be interesting to see what info was passed from cabin to cockpit before the emergency was declared. From my POV I would prefer an over-reaction until controlled, as the situation can always be de-escalated.
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 09:48
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What bit of "No Entry. Crew Only" didn't he understand?
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 09:49
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Except in this situation it wasn't de-escalated.

Aerodrome was closed during incident and aircraft diverted (one almost at Denpasar made a RH turn and headed for Darwin).

Tens of thousands of dollars. Hotels. Standby crew. Rescheduling.
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 11:28
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Cabin crew are of course the first line of defense when defusing a drunk...
but when it gets serious, that guy really IS dangerous! other passengers will be inspired to action. Both the chap wearing the hot pants on the way to Detroit, and the jihad inspired idiot who tried to light up his shoe, were brought under control with the assistance of other pax.

I made a point of crossing the pond on UA on 9/11/02 from LHR to Washington Dulles, the plane was half empty. But it felt to me like I was making a statement of sorts, and so did everyone I spoke to on that journey. We were not going to let them win.
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 11:41
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I know it's trash, but it's the only updated story I could find

'Drunk' Australian passenger arrested for 'sparking hijack scare' on Virgin plane after mistaking cockpit door for toilet walks free from Bali police station without charge | Mail Online

Seems he has been released after questioning, wasn't drunk but was on medication, had been asleep, then was clearly confused about where the toilet was. He still must have been causing some commotion, and it's not clear how much, and whether the crew were right in restraining him or if he could have calmed down. Again, I'm on the crew's side here, easier to restrain him and sort it out later than not and have him kick off or have some other passenger trying to tackle him.

On another point and a major thread drift, the article is full of pictures of this guy drunk and topless that the Daily Mail have just pulled from his facebook page. Be very careful what you upload people, it can portray you in a poor light if things aren't going your way!

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Old 27th Apr 2014, 11:42
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Virgin Hijack Apr 25th 14

Malc - please tell me you are joking!
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 17:24
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Sounds like the police in Bali have a jail full of Aussie drunks and didn't fancy another one - it's a pity because there will be others who will use this "defence" I'm sure
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 18:16
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I would imagine having made headline news, he will be boasting to his mates on face book and every other kind of social media crap available to him and being piled with free booze by his admirers. They should have carted him off the plane with a bag around his head.
What about the other PAX on the aircraft, should we not be concerned about them, they must have feared for their lives, with some half with knocking six bells out of the cockpit door.
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 19:16
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If you restrain someone who was 'trying to get into a toilet', what happens when that person is denied access to the toilet?

Is there inevitably a mess in the cabin?

Does their 'need' to use the toilet go away, or do you permit them to enter the toilet and risk them refusing to come out?

I realise that cabin crew will have the means of unlocking a toilet door, but if the occupant is determined to prevent the door being opened, what then?

I suppose the miscreant is safely detained . . .
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 21:23
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ExSpeedbird, you gotta be realllly careful these days with using the term 'drunk'- there are a few medical conditions/disabilities which to the untrained eye can appear as being drunk. Deny someone boarding over it and you are in a whole world of pain. Hopefully an astute crew can overcome this issue by tactful questions to said passenger...
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 01:09
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non event

according to press he has been released with no charges.


SO as usual this web goes viral without the facts
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 05:44
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Originally Posted by ZAZ
SO as usual this web goes viral without the facts
Hey, it's PPRuNe where you shoot first, then shoot again if there are any survivors, and then don't bother with the questions bit.
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