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A small victory for free speech!

Old 18th Apr 2014, 18:12
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A small victory for free speech!

https://www.eurocockpit.be/stories/2...on-allegations
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 18:17
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That should have some interesting consequences for those who questioned the policy on various forums and subsequently received letters from the company about their claims.
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 22:02
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A news article today says Ryanair is going to appeal....
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 22:10
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Streisand effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 23:03
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Best of luck to those of you who had to make the token appology in your subsequent lawsuits
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 23:18
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I flew as a Captain for eight years for a company which never once questioned my fuel decisions.
Sometimes I took PLOG fuel, sometimes I took a bit extra, sometimes I took a lot extra, depending on what I considered the traffic and weather situations called for, but not once was there any mention of , let alone criticism of my decisions.



The airline was Ryanair.
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Old 18th Apr 2014, 23:49
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It is nothing to do with free speech. It is a victory for the principle that if you make accusations about a business venture that may affect the profitability or operation of that venture, you better be sure you can back it up with the facts. The judge obviously felt in this case they could.
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 00:21
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I think I was justified yesterday when I posted that the Belgians had put one across Ryanair.

Leo Camel makes it starkly obvious where the MoL loyalty lies.
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 00:26
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Ryanair is going to appeal
Plenty of fuel reserves left in the tank for the legal "go around"!
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 00:41
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LGW Vulture, Ive flown for my bread and butter since I was seventeen, but have no clue what MoL is, could you point me in the right direction as to what this stands for? Thanks!.PS, I just cant imagine working for a company which questions such decisions, so glad Im retired and fly my own corporate aircraft and would NEVER question one of my pilots decisions! {by the way, in spite of this we make lots of money!}
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 01:12
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'MoL' = Michael O'Leary, CEO of Dublin based Ryanair.
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 06:20
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MOL has said he wants to offer a better experience ie pre allocated seats extra hand baggage simplified booking etc, yet he wants to drag his operating policy back into open Court. He would be adivised to accept the Court decision otherwise he will undermine his new "openish" policy. It will take a long time for people to forget the bad experiences.
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 08:44
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This case apparently relates to a Dutch programme; is this the same programme which I saw on British TV last year?
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 09:22
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Read all about it-here

https://www.eurocockpit.be/stories/2...on-allegations
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 17:35
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A great result, it's good to see that not everyone fears the libel "chilling effect".

I suspect a similar outcome for Ryanair in the not too distant future, with regard to several other lawsuits it has issued against TV companies as well as individuals, related to alleged defamatory claims made about them.

If any of these go all the way to a public court hearing there's going to be some interesting stories in the press that's for sure.

As someone has already pointed out beware the "Streisand effect".
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 18:10
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Ha ha ha! Always nice to see O'Leary get shafted in court.

I've said it many times before... If he spent half as much effort treating PEOPLE properly, as he spent litigating against them, he might have avoided a Pilot shortage, and kept his eye on the ball, and not been made to look like a schoolyard bullyboy by Carolyn McCall.

Just my own humble opinion of course
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Old 19th Apr 2014, 19:44
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Final fuel load rests with the PIC... not dispatch, not arm chair quarterbacking base captains, and not the company. Its in every country's aviation regulations.
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Old 20th Apr 2014, 08:00
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It's also a very significant victory for flight safety. If the safety culture at an airline is so poor that the pilots feel the only mitigation for a threat is to go to the press, then alarm bells should be ringing. An escalation of the "Streisand'' effect is now that those threats have been considered valid by a court, the alarm bells should be the size of big ben!
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Old 20th Apr 2014, 09:33
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It is often the practice of people with deep pockets to rush to law with the aim to bully those who can't afford the legal advice to defend themselves.

It is good to see these sort of people loose in court......... The Striesant effect is a sort of bonus.
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Old 20th Apr 2014, 18:23
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I am no Ryanair defender. Never flown with them and nothing inspires me to want to try. That is nothing to so with the flight crew. It is more the experience one has learned about from friends, colleagues etc. I guess it is right for the company to ask its pilots why they rake extra fuel (else what is to stop one saying fill it up .... Even if it is not necessary) but the PiC's word and experience should be supreme. There might be a good excuse taking 3 times the usual amount of fuel but one would then have no problem justifying it. Arguing over 15 minutes fuel time, on the other hand...

If some chief pilits and their staff are micromanaging "small" fuel differences, I wonder if they save money as chief pilots, minions and their admin toys cost.

I guess their chief pilot and fuel watchers are not lobbying for a law change to let them override the captain's legal responsibility and take the personal consequence for their actions.

It does seem unfortunate that one rarely seems to see positive comments about that company, sure we all bitch about our employers at times, but this company seems very "prone". Maybe part. Of the game is clamping down on "adverse comments" whether valid or not, in case the relatively ignorant public cotton on and then vote with their wallets.
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