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3 million reward offered by families.
$3 million reward offered by families for whistleblower to come forward with information regarding missing flight MH370.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-a...3.html#CnWhrz1
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Kiwi loses job after MH370 email | Stuff.co.nz
NZ oil rig worker who reported seeing burning aircraft, Mike McKay, was sacked for his trouble.
I don't believe he or British sailor Katherine Tee saw MH370 burning, but I would like to see some explanation for this phenomenon.
NZ oil rig worker who reported seeing burning aircraft, Mike McKay, was sacked for his trouble.
I don't believe he or British sailor Katherine Tee saw MH370 burning, but I would like to see some explanation for this phenomenon.
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Kiwi loses job after MH370 email | Stuff.co.nz
NZ oil rig worker who reported seeing burning aircraft, Mike McKay, was sacked for his trouble.
NZ oil rig worker who reported seeing burning aircraft, Mike McKay, was sacked for his trouble.
McKay said he was paid up until the end of his hitch, or work period, but released from the rig five days early.
McKay was being released early as it had a local-salary engineer to take his place
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Normally, it would be the horizontal angle or 2D. The horizontal angle would not be affected too much unless you were tracking a reflection in which case, the angle would be to the reflection point. You could get a 3D solution by having more transducers vertically separated. I would guess the 3D would be affected more by the underwater effects but would still be useful.
The horizontal angle would the get pinger location down to a few meters.
would that be the angle in 2D or 3D. ie bearing or bearing and elevation,and what about all these weird underwater effects we are told about
The horizontal angle would the get pinger location down to a few meters.
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Kiwi loses job after MH370 email | Stuff.co.nz
Sounds like a reliable chap, worked there for 35 years and sent home early complaining contracts mean nothing. But he didn't get the sack. Nudge nudge wink wink.
McKay's contractor and rig owner, Songa Offshore, were inundated with inquiries that blocked their communications, McKay said.
"This became intolerable for them and I was removed from the rig and not invited back."
McKay said he was paid up until the end of his hitch, or work period, but released from the rig five days early.
The subcontractor that he was working under, M-I Swaco, said McKay was being released early as it had a local-salary engineer to take his place, he said. "Contracts meant little in the oil field," McKay said. "The oil patch is a rough, unforgiving game."
The drilling fluids consultant has worked mostly in Southeast Asia for the past 35 years and in Vietnam waters almost continuously since 2008. He is now back in New Zealand and is waiting for a new contract.
"This became intolerable for them and I was removed from the rig and not invited back."
McKay said he was paid up until the end of his hitch, or work period, but released from the rig five days early.
The subcontractor that he was working under, M-I Swaco, said McKay was being released early as it had a local-salary engineer to take his place, he said. "Contracts meant little in the oil field," McKay said. "The oil patch is a rough, unforgiving game."
The drilling fluids consultant has worked mostly in Southeast Asia for the past 35 years and in Vietnam waters almost continuously since 2008. He is now back in New Zealand and is waiting for a new contract.
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Relative to the errors in estimating distance:
I have observed six Space Shuttle launches from my community, Albany, GA, USA which is about 350 miles from the flight path as the Solid Rocket Boosters were completing their burn. If I had not known better I would have said they were ten or fifteen miles away and the flickering flames were a thousand feet long. In reality, they subtended about three degrees of arc, which made them close to 20 miles long.
I have observed six Space Shuttle launches from my community, Albany, GA, USA which is about 350 miles from the flight path as the Solid Rocket Boosters were completing their burn. If I had not known better I would have said they were ten or fifteen miles away and the flickering flames were a thousand feet long. In reality, they subtended about three degrees of arc, which made them close to 20 miles long.
Regarding flames, Katherine Tee said she didn't see any as such. (Page 12, CruisersForum)
'And no, I didn't see any flickering that looked like flames. Just an orange glowing thing that I thought was a plane with orange lights.'
'And no, I didn't see any flickering that looked like flames. Just an orange glowing thing that I thought was a plane with orange lights.'
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I Think I Saw MH370 - Cruisers & Sailing Forums
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No mention of flames but I think it's a reasonable inference?
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I thought I saw a burning plane cross behind our stern from port to starboard;
My questions are:
2 - If it was a plane on fire that I saw,
My questions are:
2 - If it was a plane on fire that I saw,
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A common misidentification
I thought it might be pertinent to point out that fireballs, missile launches, flaming meteors, spaceships reentering, planes on fire trailing smoke etc are quite regularly attributed to normal passenger jets leaving contrails in early morning or late afternoon sun. A classic example was the infamous Los Angeles "Missile" with "flaming tail" which in fact was a ups transport with bright sun reflection and a contrail. Los Angeles Missile Contrail Explained in Pictures - Contrail Science » Contrail Science
Similarly an airliner flying over Peru misidentified as a fireball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBKHkWw0oWg
With supposedly expert commentators like ex-airforce commanders claiming such things to be missiles or fireballs when they are in reality just afternoon/morning light effects on normal jets , it would probably be premature to ascribe too much importance to an inexpert observer on a yacht reporting an orange light and a smoky trail on an aircraft in early morning.
Similarly an airliner flying over Peru misidentified as a fireball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBKHkWw0oWg
With supposedly expert commentators like ex-airforce commanders claiming such things to be missiles or fireballs when they are in reality just afternoon/morning light effects on normal jets , it would probably be premature to ascribe too much importance to an inexpert observer on a yacht reporting an orange light and a smoky trail on an aircraft in early morning.
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It could be anywhere on any radial from where the last ping occurred to where the next ping would have occurred. That's potentially a long distance. We just don't know what happened after the last ping. We don't even know if the satellites data is reliable. If they can stuff up a search by incorrectly identifying false pings, what else can they stuff up? How can we have confidence in anything these so called experts undertaking this search tell us?
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It could be anywhere on any radial from where the last ping occurred to where the next ping would have occurred. That's potentially a long distance.
We don't even know if the satellites data is reliable.
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Inmarsat data checked by AAIB before handing to malaysians then checked again by them an NTSB sources, it included checks against other malaysian 777 and earlier data from the same airframe.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO? please tell us what they have missed!
The TPL pings
1) In the area they were expected
2) Died at predicted battery run out date
3) Off frequency
2 out of three seem good, so sensible to try bluefin
I take it if you had been in charge you would have said ok guys forget that crap, lets look somewhere else - anyone got a map and a pin.
Inmarsat data checked by AAIB before handing to malaysians then checked again by them an NTSB sources, it included checks against other malaysian 777 and earlier data from the same airframe.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO? please tell us what they have missed!
The TPL pings
1) In the area they were expected
2) Died at predicted battery run out date
3) Off frequency
2 out of three seem good, so sensible to try bluefin
I take it if you had been in charge you would have said ok guys forget that crap, lets look somewhere else - anyone got a map and a pin.
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What if they had 30 to 45 minutes of fuel rather than an hour? I come back to my original point. If experts can't even get the ping detection reliably, after spending massive resources in the search, it's difficult to have a great deal of faith in other aspects of this search. Perhaps they will get lucky, but eventually there will come a point in time where they will have to question the worth of investing further resources into this.
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as he is new might worth explaining
a) last ping not on the hr
b) initiated by aircraft
c) probably due to RAT (for a very short period) powering up after both engines stopped
That's what you need to explain
Pontius if A,B or C wrong please correct
a) last ping not on the hr
b) initiated by aircraft
c) probably due to RAT (for a very short period) powering up after both engines stopped
That's what you need to explain
Pontius if A,B or C wrong please correct
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Not at all. If the TPL was that easily fooled, especially when they seemed so confident in the pings, it's difficult have a great deal of confidence in the rest of the search operation. Even the partial ping does not seem to have a conclusive published official explanation. It's quite speculative here and elsewhere. They might keep searching, but it seems there will be many unanswered questions. Seems to be much conjecture as to what actually happened.
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HeyIts007. Are you trying to justify an end to the search? If so, argue the point, don't berate the experts. They might get some things wrong along the way but what do you expect of a complex investigation into a complete mystery?
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A number the realtives of missing pax are in the process of launching a reward offer of $5m using the Indiegogo web site. Suspecting a cover up on the part of the authorities, they are hoping this sizeable reward will entice a whistle blower to crawl out of the woodwork.
Similarities to the Aerolinee Itavia 870 crash of 1980 seems to be developing.
Similarities to the Aerolinee Itavia 870 crash of 1980 seems to be developing.
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a) last ping not on the hr
b) initiated by aircraft
c) probably due to RAT (for a very short period) powering up after both engines stopped
That's what you need to explain
Pontius if A,B or C wrong please correct
b) initiated by aircraft
c) probably due to RAT (for a very short period) powering up after both engines stopped
That's what you need to explain
Pontius if A,B or C wrong please correct
The on-board logic within the electrical system, with both generators off line, is automatic APU start so we may well have seen the "aircraft initiated ping" when the APU generator came online, all be it briefly before it also ran out of fuel.
The power from the RAT most certainly would not have powered the satellite system.