Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
The plane hasn't been found because it doesn't want to be found.
If the Captain or First Officer had been regularly consulting with, or under the care of, a psychologist, then perhaps there might be some psychological insight available. Otherwise ... not so much.
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How about bringing some decent psychological evidence into play?
First of all psychologists know nothing about flying, secondly they are notoriously wrong about many things that involve human mind. Third, they typically deal in generalities.
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I don't have a problem with any of that, but at the risk of sounding like a stuck record I fly with folks who, like myself in a previous life have been vetted to a very high level ( as in their reliability to release a "bucket of sunshine" or something similar). Suddenly it seems those same individuals who are now a bit older but the same individuals can't be trusted to be alone on the flight deck - so do we really think the answer to the loo break "problem" is to park someone with no flying knowledge and perhaps someone who perhaps couldn't have passed any serious vetting process right behind the only pilot. Ever heard of a cabin crew member or a fellow employee who didn't like pilots/have personal problems?
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As to Fa's not being able to fight someone off, you might be surprised, I could throw a 6 foot man over my back when I was 7 and I am a women. It's true that most cabin crew are not trained pilots, but there are actually quite a few of them who have commercial and private liscences, who work as cabin crew while also building up there hours in other jobs. I've worked flights where I've had two of them on board.
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The search for surface debris seems to be getting nowhere. Maybe the majority of the resources should be directed towards finding the FDR and CVR. Battery time is running out.
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Maybe the majority of the resources should be directed towards finding the FDR and CVR.
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The search for surface debris seems to be getting nowhere. Maybe the majority of the resources should be directed towards finding the FDR and CVR. Battery time is running out.
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I could understand how that feels. We all go through security clearances, and most airlines I know do psychological screening on their pilots, not necessarily their fa's, so if the policy is put in place as a security measure against a rogue pilot, I too would feel a little insulted. As I noted most places I've worked its not been about baby sitting the pilots, but rather as an added safety measure. Most pilots at my airline welcome a new face in the flight deck anyways, since the locked flight deck door policy, and it's actually great for building trust and rapport among the whole crew ( is. Cc feel more confident in expressing their concerns to a pilot who has taken some opportunity to speak with them a little).
I could understand how that feels. We all go through security clearances, and most airlines I know do psychological screening on their pilots, not necessarily their fa's, so if the policy is put in place as a security measure against a rogue pilot, I too would feel a little insulted. As I noted most places I've worked its not been about baby sitting the pilots, but rather as an added safety measure. Most pilots at my airline welcome a new face in the flight deck anyways, since the locked flight deck door policy, and it's actually great for building trust and rapport among the whole crew ( is. Cc feel more confident in expressing their concerns to a pilot who has taken some opportunity to speak with them a little).
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The search for surface debris seems to be getting nowhere. Maybe the majority of the resources should be directed towards finding the FDR and CVR. Battery time is running out.
A few posts back, I suggested the following. And this could have been started days ago, or longer, once they got the pinger detector here.
Start with the detector on the 40 degree line and tow it on a path along that line, the offset to one side in mile or so wide increments (depending on the range of the detector) and make another pass the other way...keep doing it offset to each side.
It's a longshot but it's SOMETHING and it only requires one boat to do this. It must be equally as worthy as chasing garbage around the SIO trash gyres.
The media is reporting that the last heard radio voice comm sounded more formal than previously reported. Without going into the reasons for this (astonishing) change of story, does it not change the possible scenarios? That the co-pilot was fully awake and that he had been handed off to the next controller. The first controller would assume him to be off frequency and the new controller has not yet had first contact. The ideal time to do a vanishing act. So it says to this Poirot that the captain was not there or incapacitated and the FO was the instigator.
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I see follow-up posts to the new (CNN) "loop" turn flight path map have been deleted here despite some interest. 2 people (trying to post) sent me private comments about ADS-B Right turn tracking info they saw early on consistent with it.
CNN has led with the "new map" on 3 straight live shows, yet the map is hard to find online anywhere. The person behind the report is CNN's Nic Robertson, and for those asking there is at this moment a picture of this new map at CNN's site here:
Sources call MH370 turn a 'criminal act' ? The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer - CNN.com Blogs
Its the purple with red track on the left, under Flight 370. As experts are commenting, if indeed accurate (and no one knows the source other than "from the Family Committee" at this moment) at the very least it would indicate fuel burn and other issues that might affect the search area, etc...
(For what its worth)
P.S. The Malaysian minister was asked about it; replied "I cannot confirm or deny".
CNN has led with the "new map" on 3 straight live shows, yet the map is hard to find online anywhere. The person behind the report is CNN's Nic Robertson, and for those asking there is at this moment a picture of this new map at CNN's site here:
Sources call MH370 turn a 'criminal act' ? The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer - CNN.com Blogs
Its the purple with red track on the left, under Flight 370. As experts are commenting, if indeed accurate (and no one knows the source other than "from the Family Committee" at this moment) at the very least it would indicate fuel burn and other issues that might affect the search area, etc...
(For what its worth)
P.S. The Malaysian minister was asked about it; replied "I cannot confirm or deny".
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Joint Agency Coordination Centre
It appears that the ultimate command structure for the search for MH370 using the resources of the Australian government has been assigned to the new Joint Agency Coordination Centre.
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Mh370 turns right
The aviationist.com:
"Between 17:19 and 17:20 the aircraft turned right, changing heading from 25 to 40 degrees. Someone said this is a sign the aircraft was turning back to Kuala Lumpur or had already experienced an in-flight problem. However, the change in heading was probably performed in accordance with the FPL (Flight Plane) as the plane did the same, at the same position, on Mar. 4, 2014.
The last location tracked by Flightradar24 is Lat: 6.97 Lon: 103.63."
"Between 17:19 and 17:20 the aircraft turned right, changing heading from 25 to 40 degrees. Someone said this is a sign the aircraft was turning back to Kuala Lumpur or had already experienced an in-flight problem. However, the change in heading was probably performed in accordance with the FPL (Flight Plane) as the plane did the same, at the same position, on Mar. 4, 2014.
The last location tracked by Flightradar24 is Lat: 6.97 Lon: 103.63."
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What has Singapore contributed to this?
Surely Singapore would have seen it with some of their Radar assets flying to the South? I haven't heard anything other than the Singapore Prime Minister offering all help, once the initial missing report was given. Of course they helped in the South China Sea and Malacca Straits searches.
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Strong Eagle said: "I traveled internationally from KLIA at least once a week for more than a year. There has been a two pass metal detector system in place for at least 3 years, but the first stop, after immigration and before the airline concourses, has always been a bit weak... no separate removal of laptops, etc, and I've walked through with bottles of water in my backpack.
But at the second screening at the gate, the inspections have been much more thorough... I've seen plenty of bottles, containers, and other paraphernalia confiscated. It has also been mandatory over the total of more than 6 years that I flew out of KLIA to remove laptops and electronics, and remove coats for separate scanning. Bottled water, a cup of coffee or a canned soda has never been allowed through the boarding gate in all the time that I've flown through KLIA.
Edited to add: If one failed to pass the scanner at the gate, then a "body search" did ensue, consisting of a hand scan and sometimes a pat down. But like virtually every other body search I've undergone, they are relatively ineffective because to find well hidden contraband, the search must be much more intrusive.
This nonsense of removing belts and shoes is unfortunate... I've seen it only in the US and in the Philippines, and I don't see the point in this implementation."
But at the second screening at the gate, the inspections have been much more thorough... I've seen plenty of bottles, containers, and other paraphernalia confiscated. It has also been mandatory over the total of more than 6 years that I flew out of KLIA to remove laptops and electronics, and remove coats for separate scanning. Bottled water, a cup of coffee or a canned soda has never been allowed through the boarding gate in all the time that I've flown through KLIA.
Edited to add: If one failed to pass the scanner at the gate, then a "body search" did ensue, consisting of a hand scan and sometimes a pat down. But like virtually every other body search I've undergone, they are relatively ineffective because to find well hidden contraband, the search must be much more intrusive.
This nonsense of removing belts and shoes is unfortunate... I've seen it only in the US and in the Philippines, and I don't see the point in this implementation."
The psychological profilers being called for (really, not just plain psychologists) would likely confirm that the likelihood is equally as great for a pilot to go off the rails as anyone else. We're talking about a fraction of 1% of the population who go off for whatever reason. Emotional, political, financial.
The psychologists would also confirm that tighter security is/was necessary to maintain passenger confidence. That's common sense.
I would like to believe there was catastrophic damage that caused all of the comms failure, and let the plane fly until fuel was exhausted, with a plane full of people who had a peaceful (relatively) death from hypoxia and knew nothing of it, but the longer it takes to find any signs and the more left field theories and conspiracies thrown in, the more we falter from accepting it as an a/c problem, and pin it on a person problem imo.
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Coordination Issues post disaster
With so much being touted about multi country search, defence secrets etc. leading to lack of coordination, why is it that so far corporates are not being included in any of the searches and public releases?
Surely Boeing will be able to explain all how the ACARS, Transponders, Batteries on ELT and the CVR/DFDR as well as their technical functioning issues much better than all the agencies put together. After all it is their most advanced technology in the 777.
Sharing of these in public by Boeing will enhance the investigation and search procedures considerably instead of beating around several false leads which are just feeding speculation and have wasted more than 3 weeks of time.
Surely Boeing will be able to explain all how the ACARS, Transponders, Batteries on ELT and the CVR/DFDR as well as their technical functioning issues much better than all the agencies put together. After all it is their most advanced technology in the 777.
Sharing of these in public by Boeing will enhance the investigation and search procedures considerably instead of beating around several false leads which are just feeding speculation and have wasted more than 3 weeks of time.
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From Search and Recovery Operation for MH370 :
Appears to be large numbers! Major means? It could be a sign that, without excluding suicide or accident, a highjack is feared and there is no evident clue to how it was made: Clearly the worst scenario, and perhaps no pings for the next one... The wreck has to be retrieved!
At the moment we have some 550 personnel on this base involved in the search ... today we'll have more than 100 people in the air ...We'll have just on 1000 sailors in the area looking for debris.
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Is there a point, though, that things start to be scaled back? ... If nothing of substance is found, obviously such a point is eventually reached, but we are well short of that point
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Do you have a certain time? ... I'm certainly not putting a time limit on it.
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Is there a point, though, that things start to be scaled back? ... If nothing of substance is found, obviously such a point is eventually reached, but we are well short of that point
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Do you have a certain time? ... I'm certainly not putting a time limit on it.
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With so much being touted about multi country search, defence secrets etc. leading to lack of coordination, why is it that so far corporates are not being included in any of the searches and public releases?
Note: Had there been a known crash site, the country where it occurred would be in charge.
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Regarding Boeing and other companies with ties to this tragedy, maybe they are keeping their collective mouths shut for a good reason. There will undoubtedly be many lawsuits for enormous amounts of money and they don't want the lawyers and/or judges using published information against them. "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."
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jmjdriver1995 is absolutely correct. As far as Boeing is concerned, their best strategy is to separate themselves from the incident avoiding any potential relationships that could lead to them being at fault. In their position, coming up to the podium and discussing technical aspects immediately associates, from the public's perspective, with technology potentially being at fault.