Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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Affects of hypoxia
Investigation: AO-2009-044 - Air system event - Beechcraft King Air C90 aircraft, VH-TAM, 74 km NE of Perth Airport, WA, 16 July 2009
5 hour flight
Investigation: 200003771 - Beech Aircraft Corp 200, VH-SKC
Investigation: AO-2009-044 - Air system event - Beechcraft King Air C90 aircraft, VH-TAM, 74 km NE of Perth Airport, WA, 16 July 2009
5 hour flight
Investigation: 200003771 - Beech Aircraft Corp 200, VH-SKC
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The UK Telegraph has a document purporting to be the MAS370 ATC transcript
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I got curious and did a research on the antenna locations on the B-777. As I imagined, all the comm related antennas are under the "belly" and directly under the forward cargo bay. All the sat comm antennas are, of course, on the top of the fuselage.
Could it be possible that a fire in the front cargo bay destroyed the wiring "traveling" to the lower antennas? The upper antennas continued sending signals to Inmarsat and dense and toxic fumes took over the cabin and cockpit.
If dense smoke takes over the cockpit, it is impossible to fly any airplane. Change course on the FMS with almost no visibility very difficult, low fire but lots of smoke. For how long a crew can resist?
Antennas out?
Could it be possible that a fire in the front cargo bay destroyed the wiring "traveling" to the lower antennas? The upper antennas continued sending signals to Inmarsat and dense and toxic fumes took over the cabin and cockpit.
If dense smoke takes over the cockpit, it is impossible to fly any airplane. Change course on the FMS with almost no visibility very difficult, low fire but lots of smoke. For how long a crew can resist?
Antennas out?
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Two things I note from the translated twice transcript.
1) 370 call level FL350 at 01:01 and then again at 01:07:55
2) The previous hand off was answered with freq. followed by "Copies that" "copies that" was used to acknowledge instructions 5 times until the hand off to KL RADAR. It wasn't used in response to the climb clearances and it wasn't used in response to the last hand off.
I wonder if the PF changed during the climb or perhaps after the 01 level call. Other pilot not sure if they had called level so made the call again.
Nothing really obvious and because it's a translation of a translation "copie that" may well turn out to be "Roger".
1) 370 call level FL350 at 01:01 and then again at 01:07:55
2) The previous hand off was answered with freq. followed by "Copies that" "copies that" was used to acknowledge instructions 5 times until the hand off to KL RADAR. It wasn't used in response to the climb clearances and it wasn't used in response to the last hand off.
I wonder if the PF changed during the climb or perhaps after the 01 level call. Other pilot not sure if they had called level so made the call again.
Nothing really obvious and because it's a translation of a translation "copie that" may well turn out to be "Roger".
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"90S" will not take you anywhere as it is not a complete waypoint.
It would have to be in a lat/long format with the " S" first as in S90E127 .
It would have to be in a lat/long format with the " S" first as in S90E127 .
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Mandarin?
Weird/non-standard translation? So they claim all communications were in Mandarin?
No, I don't know why. LiveATC.com actually has a recording of some of the KL ATC freq that night. What little I heard of MAS370 was in English.
No one is going to use the callsign "MH370" on freq (which isn't the flight's actual callsign, anyway). But at least we have times/rough intent of the transmission. Looks completely normal to me, even the second confirmation of climbing to FL350.
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The RAAF P3Cs do not have a air refueling capability.
Given the range at which this search is taking place, with a transit time of approx four hours each way and two hours on station, I wonder how long the current sortie rate can be maintained?
I do not know how many P3 crews they have these days, but what they may lack in numbers is well compensated by their capability. If I was lost they are the people I would want searching for me!
Given the range at which this search is taking place, with a transit time of approx four hours each way and two hours on station, I wonder how long the current sortie rate can be maintained?
I do not know how many P3 crews they have these days, but what they may lack in numbers is well compensated by their capability. If I was lost they are the people I would want searching for me!
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I got curious and did a research on the antenna locations on the B-777. As I imagined, all the comm related antennas are under the "belly" and directly under the forward cargo bay. All the sat comm antennas are, of course, on the top of the fuselage.
Could it be possible that a fire in the front cargo bay destroyed the wiring "traveling" to the lower antennas? The upper antennas continued sending signals to Inmarsat and dense and toxic fumes took over the cabin and cockpit.
If dense smoke takes over the cockpit, it is impossible to fly any airplane. Change course on the FMS with almost no visibility very difficult, low fire but lots of smoke. For how long a crew can resist?
Antennas out?
Could it be possible that a fire in the front cargo bay destroyed the wiring "traveling" to the lower antennas? The upper antennas continued sending signals to Inmarsat and dense and toxic fumes took over the cabin and cockpit.
If dense smoke takes over the cockpit, it is impossible to fly any airplane. Change course on the FMS with almost no visibility very difficult, low fire but lots of smoke. For how long a crew can resist?
Antennas out?
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The UK Telegraph has a document purporting to be the MAS370 ATC transcript. Link:
Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370 - Telegraph
Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370 - Telegraph
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No one is going to use the callsign "MH370" on freq (which isn't the flight's actual callsign, anyway). But at least we have times/rough intent of the transmission. Looks completely normal to me, even the second confirmation of climbing to FL350.
Phrases like 'runway ready, permitted to take off' will never be heard in real world ATC clearances.
If this leaked transcript was the original source of 'all right, good night', I sure wouldn't read too much into it.
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There is no way the aircraft flew for 5 hours or so without the crew doing something.
1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Learjet continued flying over the southern and midwestern United States for almost four hours and 1,500 miles (2,400 km). The plane ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Aberdeen, South Dakota after an uncontrolled descent
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With a forward speed of 190kts and an L/D of 20:
Forward speed - 320.6 ft/sec
Vertical speed - 16.0 ft/sec
This is about the structural limit for the landing gear so it wouldn't be conducive for a successful ditching.
Forward speed - 320.6 ft/sec
Vertical speed - 16.0 ft/sec
This is about the structural limit for the landing gear so it wouldn't be conducive for a successful ditching.
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Aqua tone,
As long as needed. They would pull people in from all over aus if qualified and required. It is part of what they train for, they won't want to miss the opportunity to take part.
As long as needed. They would pull people in from all over aus if qualified and required. It is part of what they train for, they won't want to miss the opportunity to take part.
There's still this plausible theory that MH370 avoided being noticed by any radars by shadowing SIA68 on its way across India.
That would of course also include the "flying for 6 hours with an onboard fire" and "abducted by aliens" scenarios, as well as the above.
Regarding the possible report of reaching FL450.
This was from Primary radar data readings and estimations.
Today at FL380 our actual GPS ALT was 40,300'
So a 2,300' difference, this I've seen on every flight and can be up to 2,500' difference.
It's therefore reasonable that the 45,000' primary radar altitude above sea level was up to 2,500' above the Aircrafts pressure Altimeter reading of FL425 to 430. Hence the A/C wasn't as high as we think?
Not that it matters much.
This was from Primary radar data readings and estimations.
Today at FL380 our actual GPS ALT was 40,300'
So a 2,300' difference, this I've seen on every flight and can be up to 2,500' difference.
It's therefore reasonable that the 45,000' primary radar altitude above sea level was up to 2,500' above the Aircrafts pressure Altimeter reading of FL425 to 430. Hence the A/C wasn't as high as we think?
Not that it matters much.