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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:06
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FIRs

Melbourne FIR follows the E075 Meridian from the S06 Parallel untill the South Pole.
On the other side of the E075 and south of the 45S Parallel is Johannesburg FIR and Mauritius FIR on the north of it.
I hope that this debris will be positively identified as part of the MAS370 especially for the families. Astroawani Malaysian TV is covering live this finding. The next press conference should be interesting to watch. Normally at 0930Z.

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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:08
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From the released pair of pictures alone, the objects just look like whitecaps.

The reports from the Australian PM are that the objects looked "awash", which means there must be multiple sightings lurking unreleased showing a persistent object covered differently by water.

The released pictures were taken four days ago, so I'm sure the objects have been verified to be still there on several more images since, which is good news: and if the objects had been afloat for several days before being seen on 16th, and seen again since, then they're probably still on the surface now for when a ship arrives at the scene. 24m is far too big for a container, and probably an inverted yacht.

From the weather and measured drift in the images since 16th, the location of any sunk wreckage shouldn't be too uncertain. However, the water's substantially deeper here than where AF447 was found though, giving a submarine a harder time to find data recorder signals. For AF447 it did still take a long time to locate the wreckage on the seabed, despite finding surface debris more quickly in shallower water. I guess that experience will help this time.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:09
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For those thinking about the N/S FMC input error. Think also that the track solution based on handshake range is valid both north and south. With no other data the solutions in both directions are equally valid and at yesterdays press brief it was said that both routes are being investigated.


N/S FMC error is not very likely for a number of reasons.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:10
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Originally Posted by FE Hoppy

N/S FMC error is not very likely for a number of reasons.
Don't stop there. Please tell us why.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:12
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:14
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Someone asked if containers float; yes they absolutely do and are a major boating risk.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:17
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N/S FMC error is not very likely for a number of reasons.
Don't stop there. Please tell us why.
Oh come on, Training Wheels! Do you really think someone smart enough to actually create a user waypoint in the FMS would then sit there for hours as the aircraft headed in the wrong direction by 135-odd degrees because they messed up N and S?
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:17
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Ya joking, aren't ya?? The unidentified objects are 2500km off the coast!!

actually we do have air to air refueling available down under - regularly used
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:23
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drift buoy "nearby"

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Buoy 14908


It seems the area is north of the circumpolar current. AF447 came down in the Equatorial Counter Current. There, the surface current pattern are much more random and thus with AF447 it was harder to back track them. I'm optimistic drift analysis in this part of the ocean will be more accurate.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:24
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The images came from a commercial sat. I suspect there are higher rse images available if a nation were to put in a request.

Not to mention synthetic apature stuff available on aircraft these days too.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:26
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For those thinking about the N/S FMC input error. Think also that the track solution based on handshake range is valid both north and south. With no other data the solutions in both directions are equally valid and at yesterdays press brief it was said that both routes are being investigated.


N/S FMC error is not very likely for a number of reasons.
Not likely? You're right there.

But mistakes get made all the time. I'm sure all of us have had a moment at least once in our lives. If you read accident reports, there are plenty of instances where you're left scratching your head.

It's not a hypothesis that can be discarded out of hand. Could also be a crew under duress that did it deliberately to avoid the aircraft being used for nefarious purposes. Truth is, none of us know yet -- it's all hypotheses, theories and speculation now.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:28
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Anybody have an informed opinion on how long it might take an fbi expert to recover deleted files off a computer?
Depends if they've been overwritten with new data. When you delete a file most operating systems just mark that bit of storage available for re-use, and mark the filename as deleted, which really means 'dont show this file in listings'. The actual data is still there untouched.
If the file has not been overwritten, there are programs that will scan a disk in minutes and extract the missing files.
If the data has been overwritten, there are techniques for sensing the incredibly tiny magnetic changes left from a few previous data writes.

The answer is minutes to days, if at all in multiple overwrites.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:30
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The Norwegian vessel St. Petersburg, owned by Hoegh will apparantly reach the area where the debris has been found "within hours".
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:30
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
Oh come on, Training Wheels! Do you really think someone smart enough to actually create a user waypoint in the FMS would then sit there for hours as the aircraft headed in the wrong direction by 135-odd degrees because they messed up N and S?
That's assuming everything was ops normal and they were monitoring the cruise. For all we know, the incorrect entry could have been made in a near hypoxic state due to depressurization, both crew eventually becoming completely incapacitated and the aircraft continued on flying until fuel exhaustion.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:31
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Could it be that someone may have wanted to enter in to the FMC the coordinates for Urumqi Airport
You wouldn't be inserting coordinates for Urumqi, because it's a defined waypoint and defined airport BY NAME in the FMS database.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:38
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The scans are dated four days ago - hopefully the objects are still floating ...
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:39
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If the US aircraft has found something, wonder when we will hear.

I wound expect quick news if not from MH 370. A false sighting is not that significant.

If it was MH 370, the significance of that might delay release of news until everyone was primed.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:43
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Originally Posted by GlueBall
You wouldn't be inserting coordinates for Urumqi, because it's a defined waypoint and defined airport BY NAME in the FMS database.
Yes, agree and point taken.
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Solar map

This solar map gives an idea of how much more sunlight the searchers have.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 09:47
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I do not find it remotely credible that two pilots would hijack their aircraft in this way.
It is thus likely that one was locked out.
Doesn't explain ACARS or ATC comms lost.

They soon will be running out of light in WA. Not sure if they will be able to identify the objects by sunset.
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