Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
objects or red herrings?
The large one: part of a wing, life raft, shipping container; The small one: part of awing, a large canoe?
Given the maneuvres MH-370 was up to as she crossed Malaysia I would doubt she had the range to make to the Southern Ocean!
Given the maneuvres MH-370 was up to as she crossed Malaysia I would doubt she had the range to make to the Southern Ocean!
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Scenario debunking
I think you are forgetting that NONE of the radar returns after IGARI can be confirmed as mh370!!! Only that there MIGHT have been AN aircraft giving a return!!
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https://twitter.com/cctvnews/status/446558464005783552
#US P-8 has arrived in Indian Ocean area; US 7th Fleet spokesperson confirms they have located the debris identified by #Australia. #MH370
Shouldn't be long now until we have some clarity on whether this is MH370.
#US P-8 has arrived in Indian Ocean area; US 7th Fleet spokesperson confirms they have located the debris identified by #Australia. #MH370
Shouldn't be long now until we have some clarity on whether this is MH370.
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There is plenty of ships/yachts that have been lost in the souther ocean. Since there is no land obstruction such wrecks have a tendency to circumnavigate the globe several times before going north, and the latter is an if.
24m is no size for a smaller vessel in parts and the second picture looks very much like a yacht.
I fear we will have some disapointment.
24m is no size for a smaller vessel in parts and the second picture looks very much like a yacht.
I fear we will have some disapointment.
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Just as a general coincidence of course, I recall that the empennage of the Air France 330 off the Brazilian coast - was the first part of the aircraft to become apparent in the water. Just an observation, I claim not to know any 'hows'.
(The empennage is relatively light from my humble experience, with much space inside, having been up in and around Boeing tails for various reasons). Rgds
(The empennage is relatively light from my humble experience, with much space inside, having been up in and around Boeing tails for various reasons). Rgds
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"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified."
To me, "identified" means they know what they are looking at.
No fuel means the wreckage would have some considerable buoyancy perhaps, if the fuselage is intact then, sadly, the strapped in bodies may now also be providing some buoyancy.
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According to fox and cnn reporters, the search area where this debris was found was defined by information from usa faa, ntsb n intelligence community. This relatively small search area was outlined on CNN maps displayed all day yesterday. That they have found this debris in this area which was highlighted by those agencies gives more expectation for positive ID than any other possible search area find, imo.
anybody know the size of the largest piece of af 447 that was recovered?
anybody know the size of the largest piece of af 447 that was recovered?
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PIC
The low res sat pic looks like a submerged container.
The first P3 has just landed at Pearce WA, nothing on TV yet.
Experts on TV are mindful of what the pics are
They are saying IF the debris is from the plane it will take years to find the plane using unmanned drones..
watch and learn..
The first P3 has just landed at Pearce WA, nothing on TV yet.
Experts on TV are mindful of what the pics are
They are saying IF the debris is from the plane it will take years to find the plane using unmanned drones..
watch and learn..
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fox niner, I asked a similar question some days ago and was told that the AP would disengage when unable to maintain FL and a/c would enter a spiral dive.
What IAS is the top of the yellow arc and Vs clean?
What IAS is the top of the yellow arc and Vs clean?
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Could it be part of fuselage ? Maybe half a fuselage with 2 or 3 rips ? What's the diameter of fuselage ?
Dimensions of the Boeing 777-200ER
Could it be part of fuselage ? Maybe half a fuselage with 2 or 3 rips ? What's the diameter of fuselage ?
Dimensions of the Boeing 777-200ER
- Wing span: 60.9 metres
- Overall length: 63.7 metres
- Tail height: 18.5 metres
- Fuselage diameter: 6.19 metres
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"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified." To me, "identified" means they know what they are looking at.
Agreed, but "identified" is nowadays frequently used to mean just "seen" or "noted". Always use a longer word; even if it's inaccurate it sounds more impressive.
"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified." To me, "identified" means they know what they are looking at.
Agreed, but "identified" is nowadays frequently used to mean just "seen" or "noted". Always use a longer word; even if it's inaccurate it sounds more impressive.
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Letter is a reality check
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Your link to the Malaysian pilot's daughter's letter about her father (another Malaysian captain) brings a sense of reality to the world of civil aviation and its domestic tolls.
Thousands of families of airline pilots (& cabin crew!) worldwide would wholeheartedly agree with this daughter's sentiments. It is a career requiring dedication and commitment with good rewards (usually), but often with a heavy price for the families, although fortunately, only very rarely a price as heavy as this one on the 8th March.
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Your link to the Malaysian pilot's daughter's letter about her father (another Malaysian captain) brings a sense of reality to the world of civil aviation and its domestic tolls.
Thousands of families of airline pilots (& cabin crew!) worldwide would wholeheartedly agree with this daughter's sentiments. It is a career requiring dedication and commitment with good rewards (usually), but often with a heavy price for the families, although fortunately, only very rarely a price as heavy as this one on the 8th March.
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It took two years to find the wreckage of af 447 even though it was relatively close to the initial surface wreckage find and the last known position. Some Aussie "expert" just opined that this debris, if from mh370, "may have drifted hundreds of miles from where the wreckage is due to the drift factors."
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If it gets confirmed that those are parts of the 772 it's a good start. Also, if it is indeed a 24 m part of the fuselage still intact it means that it wasn't a violent impact with the water.
I wouldn't say it was an attempt of a planned ditching but that big chunch of fuselage wouldn't be in one piece after a full speed, uncontrollable impact with the water surface. However, Im just speculating, hopefully we will know more soon.
I believe Aussie are to be congratulated for their efforts. I saw on the news that they deployed some jet fighters to try and get a confirmation asap.
I wouldn't say it was an attempt of a planned ditching but that big chunch of fuselage wouldn't be in one piece after a full speed, uncontrollable impact with the water surface. However, Im just speculating, hopefully we will know more soon.
I believe Aussie are to be congratulated for their efforts. I saw on the news that they deployed some jet fighters to try and get a confirmation asap.
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Making the story fit the facts is exactly what you're supposed to do! As opposed to:
Trying not to make the story fit the facts.
- Making up the facts to fit the story, or
- Not caring one jot whether the story and the facts bear any resemblance to each other at all.
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Ocean current map here:
earth :: an animated map of global wind and weather
earth :: an animated map of global wind and weather
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"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified." To me, "identified" means they know what they are looking at.
Agreed, but "identified" is nowadays frequently used to mean just "seen" or "noted". Always use a longer word; even if it's inaccurate it sounds more impressive.
"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified." To me, "identified" means they know what they are looking at.
Agreed, but "identified" is nowadays frequently used to mean just "seen" or "noted". Always use a longer word; even if it's inaccurate it sounds more impressive.
Rephrase this into "Following specialist analysis of the satellite imagery, we have identified two objects possibly related to the search" and it takes on an apparently different meaning, while, in reality, they are saying the same thing.
Fingers crossed that this is something that will pan out. There was some data on ocean currents posted upthread that should narrow the search area for the orange boxes.
Yes drift will be a big issue. However the satellite images are from the 16th, which helps a bit. Also gives them 4 days of real drift (ie not simulation) to extrapolate from. So a big job, but not hopeless. Probably learned a lot from AF447 experience.
Can anyone confirm the separation of the 2 pieces? The closer together, the more hopeful I would be. Common to find 1 piece of stuff floating around. But in close proximity would be more suspicious of 1 recent source.
Pingers might be good for another 15-20 days. If they don't find by them it will become grim.
Can anyone confirm the separation of the 2 pieces? The closer together, the more hopeful I would be. Common to find 1 piece of stuff floating around. But in close proximity would be more suspicious of 1 recent source.
Pingers might be good for another 15-20 days. If they don't find by them it will become grim.